to our Posting Guidelines. This document contains examples of
inappropriate posts and suggestions and procedures for the same
post using different verbiage. In some cases, this document contains
examples of posts that are never acceptable, regardless of their
verbiage, tone, or intent. Please read this entire document
carefully and refer to it often, as we continue to add new examples.
Inappropriate posts and this Posting Guideline are subject to
and Terms & Conditions.
what our Members think of geek/talk.
Member Post: I want to learn how to cheat. We deserve it.
Member Post: I'm writing a term paper on cheating. Can
Member Post: Thanks for being brave enough to ask about
Member Post: Cheating is cool
Member Post: Cheating is good for my vision so here is
how you can earn more money (a joke)
Member Post: Cheating is legal in my country. How can I
improve my CPC.
geek/talk Response: All of
these posts are inappropriate. Member banned.
Member Post: Come join my new affiliate program at [affiliate
Member Signature: Come join my new affiliate program at
Member Profile: Uses an affiliate link URL
Member Post: Thought you guys would find this interesting.
Join and try [affiliate URL]
Merchant Member Makes Frequent Posts: "We accept sites
like yours if they......" or "We can run banners in
our Network which are ....." or "See my signature...."
geek/talk Response: All of
these posts are inappropriate. Member banned.
Member Post: You s--u--c-k I think you *****
Member Post: I'm having a bad day GEEKS You ALL suck I
think you *****
Member Post: I just got my payment from ***** (Topic starter
- shill post)
Member Post: F-u-n-k-y Affiliates Network always pays and
is a fantastic company.
Merchant Member Post: JoeDucky cheated my affiliate program.
SallySlut has a website at <insert url> which violates the
TOS of my affiliate program. LoneRanger sent me this email which
explains why he cheated me <insert email>.
geek/talk Response: All of
these posts are inappropriate and will result in a ban for the
rest of your life. We love our Merchant members but refuse to
serve as a place for you to expose, denigrate, flame, document,
or attack your affiliates. These issues must be handled privately.
Post which either attempt to subvert our profanity filter or are
caught by the filter are not permitted. Please note that this
filter also contains names and or words related to companies and
or individuals who have abused geek/talk and or slandered my name
and or told untruths. We all have "bad days". If you
are having a bad day go to the beach and take a long walk, visit
a newsgroup and vent, take a nap, or consider a long talk with
a trusted friend, husband, wife, girlfriend, or rehab counselor.
Member Post: I have a first amendment right to call you a
Member Post: I have a first amendment right to say and
do whatever I want on this BB. So dude, get ******
Member Post: I run a board and have zillions of hits. So
dude, get ******
Member Post: I have a browser so I can do whatever I want
on your BB. I also have a mouse which means I can do even more.
All the other BB I post at let me do stuff like this which I mean,
this BB can ***** ****
geek/talk Response: You have
no first amendment rights on this BB. Profanity filter activated.
Owning a browser or a mouse gives you no rights on this BB. Actions
on other BB don't govern our Rules or procedures. How you run
your BB is entirely up to you and won't govern our rules or procedures.
For any of these types of posts you are banned.
Member Post: xxx merchant program NO PAY
Member Post: xxx merchant program a s-c- a-m-
Member Post: xxx merchant program terminate me for no reason
Member Topic Headline: xxx merchant program CHEAT ME
Member Topic Headline: xxx are a bunch of CROOKS
Merchant Member Response Post: You are a cheater
Merchant Member Response Post: We don't pay cheaters
Merchant Member Response Post: We sent you email but it
bounced. This means you ***
The thread continues with each side venting, exposing, and
using our BB as a platform for their disputes and personal agendas.
geek/talk Response: Our mission
is to place merchant/vendor Members and Webmaster Members side
by side, so they can help each other with meaningful dialog
delivered in the appropriate manner. You are unlikely to find
our volume and quality of posts in our Making Money Forum anywhere
else on the Web. Don't believe me? Go look. We know with absolute
certainty that many abusive posts by Webmaster Members
are made by "cheaters", "abusers",
and or competitors masquerading as a Webmaster. Merchant/vendor
Members must have an opportunity to respond to a legitimate
issue. They are also Members and have the same rights, duties
and obligations as any other Member. Our procedure for these types
of issues is very easy to understand and any Member with a legitimate
complaint will be happy to comply. Please do not post until
you have made reasonable efforts to contact the merchant/vendor
and resolve the issue privately, including giving the company
a reasonable time to respond. Normally 3 to 5 business days between
multiple contact efforts. If we determine that you have not given
the merchant a reasonable time to respond and or have not tried
to contact the merchant more than once via phone, email, and fax,
you will be immediately banned for abusing this complaint procedure.
You must include in your post the exact nature and
timing of your contact efforts.
These complaint procedures are ONLY for non payment issues.
They should NOT be used for: support issues, getting a quicker
response, solving your technical/reporting problems, and any other
issues that do not involve money owed. Civil dialog between Webmasters
and Merchants is encouraged and often results in fixes/tweaks
and a better realtionship for both parties. Unfortunetly, a small
number of members abuse this relationship and the visibilty of
geek/talk. Any repeated attempts (numerous posts that deal with
the same/similar issue after the merchant has responded) to turn
geek/talk into a support Forum for your issues will result in
your immediate banning. Saying this another way: if the merchant
has responded and you still aren't satisfied with the relationship,
contact the merchant privately via email, phone, the merchants
BB, and or fax. If this doesn't make you happy, remove the code
and find another Merchant, rather than "beating a dead horse"
and abusing geek/talk.
If you don't want to comply, tolerate these procedures, or
think they have no value for the majority of members of our Community,
please immediately leave geek/talk.
Follow These Exact Procedures
any of this data is NOT in the first post and is not 100% complete
we will immediately lock the thread and move it off the Public
BB. The concerned members are immediately banned and we will invoke
the rest of our abuse procedures. Please copy and paste this data
into your initial post and complete each item accurately and completely.
Please double check your data BEFORE you click Submit.
Webmaster member procedure for your FIRST post:
1) The New Topic Subject field must say: "Complaint: xxx
2) Your complete and full real name
3) The exact URL of your site where this issue occurred
Note: Adult links or gateways to same are not permitted. Contact
the vendor privately. If your site is down your post is deleted
and you are banned. Your site MUST resolve via a browser.
4) Your email address of record with the vendor in question
5) The exact nature and timing of your contact efforts via email
and or phone.
6) The exact nature of your complaint. Devoid of profanity, efforts
to defeat our filter, with your own facts and not here say. Please
be civil, very specific, and adhere to our Posting Guidelines
and our Rules.
member procedure for your FIRST post:
1) Your complete and full real name
2) Your position and title and company name with the company in
3) The exact URL of your site
4) Your email address or company email address for resolution
5) Your response. Devoid of profanity, efforts to humiliate, abuse,
attack etc. Details of your contact efforts. If YOU know
from first hand knowledge that the member is a "cheater" or violated
your rules then simply state this once if you are so inclined.
Or tell them to contact you privately.
This is THE END of the dialog. A single response from
both sides. After that it's taken up in private via private
email. Additional comments in the Complaint thread and or continuing
to "beat a dead horse" with snide, insulting, or negative
comments by either side are never appropriate and will not be
tolerated. Please remember that all of this data must be in your
FIRST post. Data in your profile, the back seat of your car,
your signature, your computers hard disk, or your best friends
desk is never appropriate and does not eliminate the requirements.
If a vendor responds with no record or similar verbiage the Webmaster
Member is banned.
If you are not a party to the issue, but wish to add positive
comments to the thread to help both parties, please do so. If
you are not a party to the issue (you did not start the
specific Complaint topic), and wish to post your own negative
comments, YOU MUST START A NEW THREAD AND FOLLOW ALL OF THE
PROCEDURES OUTLINED ABOVE.
Member Post: You ask me to review your site. It stinks
Post: Your affiliate rules look fishy
Member Post: Don't host with xxx hosting
Member Post: I no like your script
geek/talk Response: All of
these posts lack detail and specifics. We are here to help each
other with meaningful and civil dialog. You can't do this without
details. Some of these types of comments are often made to "bait",
stir the pot, start flame wars, or add excitement. In these cases
you are banned. Some appropriate posts:
Your site loads very slowly. I cant read the dark red text against
a black background.
Your rules have a zillon spelking mistakes.
Your rules never mention when you pay.
xxx hosting company has slow servers and takes a week to answer
Your script costs to much. $90 for a feedback form is bad
Member Topic Headline: IMPORTANT!!! READ ME DUDE OR DIE
Member Topic Headline: They lower CPM so xxx vendor is
Member Topic Headline: xxx cut down CPC rate. Bait and
Member Screen Name: Iamcheater
Don't use IMPORTANT or a lot of upper case words in your topic
title. All our post are important. Consider a typing course at
your local college or switching to decaf. Using profanity and
or subverting our filter anywhere on this BB is a violation of
our Rules and you are banned.
While we may share your frustration at lower CPMs or CPC, don't
resort to "venting" on this BB. Go back to the vendors
BB and vent if they permit it or send the vendor some vent email
if they permit it. State your case in a business like manner and
we will all try and help. Screen names which are offensive and
or contain profanity or an effort to subvert our filter are never
All questions and or comments on this document, your membership
in geek/talk, our BB, our Rules & Procedures, or how we run
geek/talk should only use our Feedback
Form. We do not respond to email on these issues.
violation of this procedure will result in the immediate termination
of your membership and additional abuse procedures. Thank you
for your anticipated cooperation.
TheftWare & Hijacking Member Notice
We have two Forums (StopScum
Screen Captures) devoted to fighting and eliminating Contextual
Advertising aka TheftWare and it's negative financial and moral
implications for all Merchants and Publishers. My StopScum
site is also devoted to fighting this issue. Some folks like
to use the words "Predatory Advertising" or ScumWare
to describe this. Our definition for all of these terms is: any
individual and or company who is directly or indirectly engaged
in a method/technology which creates/distributes and or overlays
links, banners, popups, new windows, and any other method/technology
to generate traffic from a web site without that web site owner's
prior written permission and these methods do not share any of
their revenue with the site owners. In some cases, they alter
the contents of a PG site with Adult and or Gambling links which
the owner of the site would never permit. Other methods include
popping an advertisement over other people's websites, without
their permission or revenue sharing.
We don't like them but understand the reasons which
motivate you to use pop blockers. Inspite of our distaste for
pop blockers, we respect your rights to use this technology and
will never "force" a pop on you. Please turn your blocker
off when you visit this site or any other site which we own. This
insures our survival.
We consider Hijacking the same as an "exploit and our procedures
are exactly the same. If "you" use, create, or benefit
or procedure to modify a surfers/visitors browser settings,
download files to the users hard disk, and or edit the users registry,
without their prior express permission BEFORE you do this,
we consider you a "Hijacker/Exploiter". This means you
have NOT provided a clear and detailed notice, the user
has NOT granted you permission to do this, and an option
to deny this procedure, then you and your site are charter members
of the "Hijacker/Exploiter" club. We find all of these
actions morally and ethically reprehensible.
the complexity of this issue and determining exactly who is involved,
our procedures for any Member who is directly or indirectly engaged
in TheftWare and or Hijacking may be one and or all of the following:
You will be immediately banned and all your posts removed from
geek/talk. Please note, we do not issue warnings. This action
is not negotiable and we will not respond to your emails and or
form submissions on our actions.
We may ask you to explain your procedures in a post which other
members may read and fully disclose the details of your technology
We may conduct our own private investigation on your procedures
and techniques and arrive at our own conclusions. We may or may
not take action.
Extraction - Advertising
Thousands of dollars changes hands every week as a
result of relationships established in geek/talk. We are happy
to provide this environment as long as it's fair to all parties.
Their are three acceptable methods to advertise on geek/talk and
all of them require payment. Visit our Advertising
page to purchase your banner campaign, purchase 100K
impressions for $49.95, or place a topic advertisement in
Buy, & Sell Forum for $9.95.
For Sale - Purchase - Barter - Trade Forum and our Barter/Trade
Links Forum permit a single free Topic Post every 30 days
subject to the Sticky/Important/Read Me topics at the top of each
Forum. Please carefully read these instructions before
Both of these Forums have become an administrative nightmare.
Here are the most frequently violated Rules which always result
in a permanent lifetime ban without warning and please don't bother
Multiple Topic/Threads within a 30 day period. This ain't Ebay
and it's Free.
2. Pushing posts. This is rude. Try a newsgroup like alt.flame.abuser.
3. Hijacking threads. Start your own compliant thread.
4. Not enough data in the post. ALL the data MUST
be in your post. This ain't Ebay.
5. Traffic extraction to either the posters site and or Ebay.
Pay to advertise or leave.
6. Adult domains, adult link trades, and adult domain name sales.
This is a Mainstream site and NOT "Porn City".
7. Posts in our Website For Sale Forum which are NOT a
sale or purchase of a website. Is the name and description of
this Forum plus the sticky posts not clear enough for you? Your
post must be a 100% pure Website sale or purchase. If it's not,
please visit our Advertising
8. A few members "trash" and or undermine other parties
sales and or purchases. These remarks are often insulting, self
serving, lack civility, of a trolling nature, and undermine and
dilute our Culture. These kinds of posts will not be tolerated.
They normally are statements, questions, comments, sarcasm. A
few examples for your reading pleasure:
DUDE! No way!
Your site is not worth 15K. It's worth about $1.00
YEA! This means my site is worth 4K :)
Is <site name>a joke Site? http://www.sitename
.com - $20,000?
Your buyer paid to much!
Template sites have NO value!
You askie to much!
I have a headache and my girlfriend would not engage in xxxxx
last night so your site is JUNK!
1. On Topic questions
and or comments which are delivered in a VERY civil and
respectful manner are encouraged. They often help all of us understand
2. If you have nothing positive to say and you can't express
yourself in a VERY civil and respectful manner, then please
don't post. For example, consider how much better the following
looking site. How did you determine a value of 15K? Most sites
in your space sell for about 12 times monthly gross revenue which
equates to 5K in your case?
DUDE! The asking price and sell price are between the buyer and
seller. This is the Internet and last time I checked their is
no law which prohibits a seller asking 25K for a site which is
normally valued at 1K. The majority of our members already know
this so we aren't interested and or impressed in reading your
4. Place yourself in the "shoes" of the seller
before you post. Someday you may wish to sell a site although
the majority of abuse comes from folks who either have blank profiles
or never try and sell a site.
5. Selling a site ain't rocket science! Copy
and paste the required data template which we have provided
into your Topic/Post and fill in all the data.
6. Learning how to buy and or sell a site inside a real
thread posted by another party is NOT what we are about
and accounts for some of the abuse. Read this article to learn
To Purchase or Sell a developed Web Site. Drop over to our
Principles Forum and we will be happy to help you learn about
this stuff. Your questions and or comments should NOT refer
(Directly or Indirectly) to a specific deal. For example: How
do I determine "Uniques" from the sellers stats program?
7. Please DO NOT post your Google AdSense data anywhere
on these Forums. This action violates their TOS and may result
in the suspension of your Google AdSense account.
8. Finally, if you can't see the value in any of these Rules,
Procedures, and the spirit of same or you just don't know what
to do then we suggest:
Properly submit our BB
Feedback Form before you post. Include your civil and
respectful questions and or comments and we will try and guide
you. Some additional options for you to consider:
Leave and never return
Point your browser to alt.flame.abuser
Start your own Board and run it any way you wish
Any posts which offer to barter/trade, buy, sell, announce, survey,
or extract traffic is forbidden anywhere else in the geek/talk
Non compliant posts in any of our Forums will be removed
and the member immediately banned. Please note, we do not issue
Parts of this document use humor, sarcasm, spelling
mistakes, and other "styles" to accurately convey the
mood, tone, and posts on geek/talk. This presents a more realistic
picture of our Community. It is not meant to trivialize these
important issues or offend you.