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Czar
02-16-2006, 07:04 AM
This is unbelievable.

I was just watching Australia's first gold medal win in the Torino Winter Olympics and noticed a name that rang a bell. The gold medal winner of the Men's Moguls event was one Dale Begg-Smith, formerly of Canada.

Since this was our country's first gold of these games, Begg-Smith has been receiving a lot of coverage. One of the most intriguing points that has been mentioned is that he is apparently a self-made IT millionaire. That's when the name started to ring an even louder bell.

Dale, in an interview, mentioned that he has a company that helps companies to manage their ad campaigns. Strangely, he said that his company doesn't have a name or a website, but that it works as a team of programmers in the background. He possibly said this so that the press wouldn't pick up on the fact that his company has attracted a questionable reputation within the marketplace. That's right, our Aussie gold medallist is the same Dale Begg-Smith who used to run AdsCPM.com. The same Dale Begg-Smith who used to be a member of Geek/Talk, before being banned back in 2002.

Here's an earlier thread featuring comments from the soon-to-be superstar:
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16749&highlight=begg-smith

How funny is that! :D

Larwee
02-16-2006, 08:47 AM
That is really interesting. There are a few banned Geek/Talk members who have ended up making news headlines.

Now that he has won a gold medal he will receive a lot of attention and the news media might look more deeply into his online marketing company and report about it. That might be some good material.

Here is something about Dale Begg-Smith. Maybe they will show that car of his on television.

http://www.nbcolympics.com/athletes/5058573/detail.html?ib_oll=Headline

Larwee
02-16-2006, 08:54 AM
Here is a video link of Dale Begg-Smith in action.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=438738020009328138

Czar
02-16-2006, 08:56 AM
Fascinatingly, late night coverage of the achievement has focused as much on Dale's reclusive manner and his young millionaire/whiz kid status as it has his Olympic victory. As such, it may not be too long until a savvy reporter stumbles across this thread and performs a search for the term "AdsCPM" on Geek/Talk, which will reveal a huge backlog of publisher complaints, reports of non-payment and claims of the network being friendly towards spyware players.

It's unfortunate that this victory couldn't be sweeter for those Aussies who are familiar with how many members of this community were burnt by his company. :(

Jan
02-16-2006, 08:59 AM
Wow! Unbelievable :) He sure was very cool, calm and collected in the interviews I saw of him though. The Aussie crowd was more excited than he was.

AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE OI! OI! OI! :cheers:

Eadgbe
02-16-2006, 11:06 AM
From Yahoo News: "...After winning, he chose his words carefully.

He didn't want to talk about his internet ad-tracking business and refused even to give the name of the operation.

"I don't know," he said, when asked repeatedly to name the business he started when he was 13 with his older brother, Jason, also a moguls skier who didn't qualify for the final Wednesday.

"It was like, so long ago. I haven't been doing much on that the last couple years."

Begg-Smith said he did the work to make money to fund his ski career, but has since all but shut it down to focus on skiing. The domain name he owns, adscpm.com, comes up as "under construction," meaning it's not operating right now.

He said his business has never dealt with any specific kind of advertising, only the technology to track how often the ads were being seen.

It was up to his customers to decide what kind of ads they wanted to use, he said. When pressed further, he snapped, "I don't know why we're talking about the company. I just won Olympic gold."..." [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_sp_ol/oly_fre_begg_smith_tr1;_ylt=A86.I0J3wvNDzIEAFwiQFs 0F;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--]

It seems this guy has something to hide.

Google tells me the name of his company is AdsCPM, who wrote FreeScratchAndWin. More info on that here: http://sw.freedom.net/portal/swportal?partnerid=10&lang=en&component=spyware&spyware=free_scratch_and_win

Very interesting. How deep is the rabbit hole?

Only a matter of time before the media finds out I guess.

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 12:37 PM
1. Change the title of this thread: Begin the thread title with his last name followed by his defunct spyware/porn company name so the SE can pick it up.

2. You have a unique twist to this story. That would be the owner of GV is an Aussie and so is the alleged purveyor of nasty things. The media LOVES this kind of local twist. Send the links to the media and start with your local Media. Call them if they are close. Don't ASK for attribution. They already understand how the "game" is played. Simply point them to our data.

Good luck with the "ink" :) and great find.

Sashman
02-16-2006, 01:20 PM
As such, it may not be too long until a savvy reporter stumbles across this thread and performs a search for the term "AdsCPM" on Geek/Talk, which will reveal a huge backlog of publisher complaints, reports of non-payment and claims of the network being friendly towards spyware players.

AdsCPM actually ran and hosted http://www3.adscpm.com/FreeMP3Music.exe which apparantly a good deal of his pops called via a prompted download. FreeMP3Music.exe comes loaded with one of the nastier AdWares (LOP) which is difficult to remove http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/lop/.

FreeScratchAndWin also installed lop/rnd and in it's earlier iteration dealt with xzoomy. It has it's own parasite designation (http://research.sunbelt-software.com/threat_display.cfm?name=FreeScratchAndWin&threatid=5475) and eadgbe appears to be correct that it is affiliated with adscpm somehow. Here is an old domain registration for scratchandwin.com : http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/sis/techboard/messages/8279.html.

Xzoomy.com, which is actively running also has the contact info (Mike Cass) domains@adscpm.com. Xzoomy.com was apparently involved in some autodownload via exploit activity (no prompt download). Here is a nice article explaining what they did : http://www.xeromag.com/vx2.html.

Sashman
02-16-2006, 01:49 PM
Hehe, too funny. Here is a guest book entry from Dale to a webmaster of a site dedicated to cheating mobile phone companies.

http://guestbook.hostconnect.net/?show_from=370&gbu=gsmsecretsworld&gbn=guestbook_2

Search for prodesigning@hotmail.com ..

Sashman
02-16-2006, 02:55 PM
http://www.torino2006.org/ENG/OlympicGames/news/news_eng160258.html

As for the way chosen to finance himself, here it is: the ex Canadian founded an on-line marketing company that has been quoted at (in fact) 40 million dollars. The company (AdsCPM, the third biggest company of this type in the world), with headquarters in New York, was initially concerned with search engines and pop-ups for at least 5000 websites. It even seems that, having invented a pop-up system, started selling the pop-up blocking system: which is, to sum it up, even more genial.

Sanford Wallace got in trouble with the FTC for doing just this. You cannot create a problem such as AdWare with pops gallore and then create or sell a solution for it. I'm also curious as to what 'type' of company they are referring to. 3rd biggest malware company?

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 02:58 PM
"YOU" have "ink" :)

May all your visits be happpy ones. This is really outstanding research and I'm so very proud of each and every one of you.

Sometimes it's helpfull to cross check old data and look at current data:

Whois history for AdsCPM.com since I can "step back" :)

Current:

Domain name: adscpm.com

Registrant Contact:
AdsCPM.COM
Steve Richards ()
+1.4166024015
Fax: +1.0000000000
19 Pembroke St.
Toronto, ONTARIO M5A2N6
CA

Administrative Contact:
AdsCPM.COM
Steve Richards ()
+1.4166024015
Fax: +1.0000000000
19 Pembroke St.
Toronto, ONTARIO M5A2N6
CA

Technical Contact:
AdsCPM.COM
Steve Richards ()
+1.4166024015
Fax: +1.0000000000
19 Pembroke St.
Toronto, ONTARIO M5A2N6
CA

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
dns1.name-services.com
dns2.name-services.com
dns3.name-services.com
dns4.name-services.com
dns5.name-services.com

Previous:

from 2003:

CPM Media, Inc. (TLHFTWTLKD)
PO Box 8978
Moscow, ID 83843
US

Domain Name: ADSCPM.COM

Administrative Contact:
CPM Media, Inc. (ILUKLNUONO)
PO Box 8978
Moscow, ID 83843
US
208-301-2570

Record expires on 21-Jul-2004.
Record created on 07-Apr-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS2.CPM-MEDIA.COM 206.161.193.82
NS1.CPM-MEDIA.COM

From: 2004:

Registrant Contact:
CPM Media, Inc.
Viktor Litov ()
+1.3015293442
Fax: +1.0000000000
P.O. Box 2121
Montgomery Village, MD 20886
US

Administrative Contact:
CPM Media, Inc.
Viktor Litov ()
+1.3015293442
Fax: +1.0000000000
P.O. Box 2121
Montgomery Village, MD 20886
US

Technical Contact:
CPM Media, Inc.
Viktor Litov ()
+1.3015293442
Fax: +1.0000000000
P.O. Box 2121
Montgomery Village, MD 20886
US

Billing Contact:
CPM Media, Inc.
Viktor Litov ()
+1.3015293442
Fax: +1.0000000000
P.O. Box 2121
Montgomery Village, MD 20886
US

Status: registrar-lock

Name Servers:
NS1.CPM-MEDIA.COM
NS2.CPM-MEDIA.COM

:)

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 03:07 PM
Opps...forgot a key piece of data which is time sensative.

I'm not sure if all of these sites are "kosher" with the GV rules but perhaps in the interest of "Journalisim" please consider letting them display ;)

The dedicated server which currently hosts AdsCPM.com ALSO hosts:

21 domains found on 69.28.210.140
Showing all 21.

Website
www.0dp.com
www.123expressview.com
www.Adscpm.com
www.Adslimitless.com
www.Adultexpressview.com
www.Advolt.com
www.Cpm-media.com
www.Datecal.com
www.Decknews.com
www.Free-scratch-cards.com
www.Freescratchandwin.com
www.Kill-pop-ups.com
www.Popnugget.com
www.Rebateshoppers.com
www.Searchblend.com
www.Searchprogress.com
www.Softtechltd.com
www.Websearchtv.com
www.Wfgtech.com
www.Xzoomy.com

:)

Sashman
02-16-2006, 03:13 PM
Steve,

Care to share how you are viewing old registrar information?

Larwee
02-16-2006, 03:24 PM
Sashman, there might be a free service that I am not aware of. However the information is available here for a fee http://www.whois.sc/whois-history

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 03:27 PM
Scott,

I just posted ALL the domains which are hosted on the AdsCPM.com dedicated server which obviously provides a cross check to your and others outstanding research.

This data and a step back in whois records is provided by whois.sc and you must pay $$$ for this data.

I have a request: We have a VERY VERY rare opportunity to "shame" a Spyware distributor since it's hooked up to the Olympics which provides a very rare current topics "hook" for the media. In this light, I have Bloged it with lots of attribution but perhaps each and every one of you could notify the Media and if you run a blog, then write about it.

Thank you :)

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 04:49 PM
Connecting the dots...Journalists are very busy people. Using Scotts outstanding detective work we can actually read this Guestbook post from Dale Begg-Smith. The post:

"Dale

Email address:
prodesigning@hotmail.com

wrote:
Advertising Proposal Hi,

Our popunder has been going for 4 months, now I am ready to buy all the traffic you get to your site. I am willing to pay you $1.5 cpm (per 1000 unique ip's) that you send to my popunder (a popup that loads behind your page so it doesn’t bother your users). I currently have 10 other warez/cracks/appz sites with my popunder on them for 4 months now and I have never missed a payment. They say I am the best advertiser they ever used."

Source: http://guestbook.hostconnect.net/?show_from=370&gbu=gsmsecretsworld&gbn=guestbook_2

The connection:

The same email address appears in our original thread at:

http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=16749

Which contained the following post from our member sumguy:

You can contact Dale from ADSCPM at their personal address prodesigning@hotmail.com to get more information until the mail servers are back up.

A direct link to this post at:

http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95291&postcount=2

Happy hunting :)

Sashman
02-16-2006, 05:37 PM
Here is a journalist who did a little digging and wrote "The ski dream funded by a spam fortune."

http://www.theage.com.au/text/articles/2006/02/13/1139679533728.html

It's somewhat amusing. I've read 4 articles so far and each one of them has had wildly different responses from Dale about his business. You'd think he would have a safe prepared answer as you know the question would come up. I can't quite remember the name of my company I made millions off of because it was a long time ago (2 years) doesn't quite cut it.

masm50
02-16-2006, 05:57 PM
Bloomberg seem to have picked up the news:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000081&sid=ax2I0XLbO2BA&refer=australia

Tim

Jan
02-16-2006, 05:58 PM
Seems a few are onto him :)
Born and bred in Canada but now calling Australia home, Begg-Smith's two main companies, AdsCPM and CPM Media, manage and track the success of ads placed on the internet through spyware and adware-style technology.
Source http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,18174937-5002332,00.html

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 06:20 PM
Fantastic GEEKS :)

Some of you are located in .AU. I DO realize the political implications of this issue for you :) BUT it would make me VERY HAPPY if you just picked up the phone and called the local media in .AU and pointed them to this thread. :) NOT web sites since this issue will spread very fast via the "organic" nature of the web. More specifically, local Newspapers and TV stations. If we can do this, then we have a "convergence of forces" working in our favor. :)

Expect more "ink". I guarnatee it. In addition, I'm trying to reach some large TV stations in the USA since some of them LOVE this kind of Olympic twist. :)

Steve_S
02-16-2006, 07:01 PM
Widely read by the premiere anti-spyware geeks, major CEOs in the CPA space, and many of the most prominent security experts and anti-spyware geeks in the world partcipate.

Exstract:

What is most interesting is what touched this fiasco off- a little research by a denizen at GeekVillage named (Joshua Smith/ Czar) who saw the "hero" on TV. This shows there is power in individual effort and speaking out around the campfire! Smalll things can lead to large things and most importantly- you can run, but you cannot hide. Rest assured this additional intel (many were already tracking it) will wind its way up into the security powers in a flash.

Read the gory details at:

http://www.revenews.com/wayneporter/archives/001488.html

:)

maxpower
02-16-2006, 07:25 PM
I wonder if the tax-man would like to know more about the details of his business.

I say this, as I quote some press he received today:

"At the post-race press conference the winner of the freestyle skiing moguls event wouldn't even give the name of his company. 'It really doesn't have a name,' the Canadian-Australian dual-national said.

There was more evasion when pressed on the amount of money he has made from an enterprise that is believed to track those pesky ads that pop-up on computer screens, the spam that clogs in-boxes and the spyware that trawls for information."

http://sport.monstersandcritics.com/othersport/article_1130452.php/Australia_embraces_golden_mogul_mystery_man


--- Evasive behavior.... maybe tax evasion?

Czar
02-16-2006, 08:37 PM
Unexpectedly, this story is building some astounding momentum right now. For the benefit of journalists who are reading this thread, I'd be most grateful if those web publishers who were involved with AdsCPM and/or its related entities could discuss their experiences here.

These account may involve whether or not you were paid, whether or not you witnessed AdsCPM using its network or other means to distribute malicious spyware, etc. Also, please note your country of residence in your response.

Thanks in advance.

( And thanks for all the "ink" you've been bringing to this breaking story, Steve ;) )

masm50
02-16-2006, 10:07 PM
Well to point any journalists here in the right direction - you may want to take a look at some of these threads:

http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18866&highlight=adscpm
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18237&highlight=adscpm
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18098&highlight=adscpm
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17389&highlight=adscpm
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16749&highlight=adscpm
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13629&highlight=adscpm

Just to get you going - but there's always the search (http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/search.php) feature as well

wsz
02-16-2006, 11:19 PM
Well, I don't have a blog (poor me, poor me...), but I updated my listing (http://www.websponsorzone.net/networks-cpm.html) for adscpm.com, to link to this thread (including the name of the former proprietor.)

It is especially bad if/when there is mainstream attention to this industry, that, on-purpose-or-not, gets a focus on the sleazier side. That includes both, "Wow, those folks are making piles of cash from me surfing the Web," and also, "Wow, those folks are ripping each other off."

PistolPete
02-17-2006, 12:13 AM
"Dale Begg-Smith was so bored at school that he left at 14 to set up his own internet company. Last month, turned just 21, he was the multimillionaire president of a network of more than 1,000 outlets."

A bad decision. A few more years of schooling might have taught him that honesty and integrity are good business tactics.

Jan
02-17-2006, 02:25 AM
theage.com.au now has an article labelled "'Spam man' wins gold".

http://www.theage.com.au/news/breaking/champ-pops-up-all-over/2006/02/16/1140037817825.html

Steve_S
02-17-2006, 02:51 AM
Well...I suppose some ink is better than no ink, :) however, myself and many others who investigate this stuff at a very high level and testify before the FTC and others have absolutely NO evidence that Dale Begg-Smith and or his brother and or his associates ever delivered and or profited from SPAM. Nothing via your in-box which I'm aware of. Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

In this respect change this headline from:

'Spam man' wins gold (which is simply a journalistic procedure because it rimes but it is not accuraate)

to:

Spyware man wins gold

or

Spyware man infects millions of computers and wins gold

:)

Sashman
02-17-2006, 09:44 AM
Steve,

Can you do me a favor and post the old whois listings for freescratchandwin.com? I'm not willing to part with 15$/month just yet for that service. Someone is interested in them as apparantly our friend has denied ever being involved with the site.

demae
02-17-2006, 10:44 AM
So ... he won a gold medal and now everyone here wants to take him down?

PistolPete
02-17-2006, 11:33 AM
So ... he won a gold medal and now everyone here wants to take him down?

It has nothing to do with the gold medal. It has everything to do with his alleged shady business tactics. He seems very evasive when answering direct question regarding his company, which only adds more fuel to the fire.

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Sashman
02-17-2006, 01:07 PM
So ... he won a gold medal and now everyone here wants to take him down?

Dale is a role model now. Perhaps he is an innocent pawn, or things just got out of control; however if he's not, would you be ok with your kids role model dropping out of school and making money in this way? Additionally, there have been a few posts setting the record straight in his favor.

The one thing I'm a little concerned about is calling him a spyware enabler or pusher. From all appearances he distributed adware, not spyware. If I myself said spyware anyplace, I apologize. Some adware is legitimate, however adware such as fsw which is very difficult to remove is not acceptable imo.

Steve_S
02-17-2006, 01:28 PM
For Scott, Federal authorities, state authorities, local authoritties, the Olympic Commitee, Local and Internationt Journalists, GEEKS, and anyone else :)

Data for Freescratchandwin.com

Notes: email addresses are a graphic so don't appear via my copy and paste here unless I enter them manually

CURRENT:

Registrant:
FreeScratchAndWin.com
PO Box 82931
Las Vegas, Nevada 89044
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: FREESCRATCHANDWIN.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-02
Expires on: 02-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 15-Feb-06

Administrative Contact:
Support, Customer
FreeScratchAndWin.com
PO Box 82931
Las Vegas, Nevada 89044
United States
8888292031 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Support, Customer
FreeScratchAndWin.com
PO Box 82931
Las Vegas, Nevada 89044
United States
8888292031 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
PARK9.SECURESERVER.NET
PARK10.SECURESERVER.NET

shows an email address of support@Freescratchandwin.com

*******************************************


BINGO is NEXT for the brother :)

Domain: freescratchandwin.com
Cache Date: 2003-03-19
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registrant:
Jason Begg-Smith
Thin Air Inc
#12-6320 Lorimer Rd
Whistler, British Columbia V0N1B6
Canada

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: FREESCRATCHANDWIN.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-02
Expires on: 02-Apr-03
Last Updated on: 22-Sep-02

Administrative Contact:
Begg-Smith, Jason
Thin Air Inc
#12-6320 Lorimer Rd
Whistler, British Columbia V0N1B6
Canada
6049057796 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Begg-Smith, Jason
Thin Air Inc
#12-6320 Lorimer Rd
Whistler, British Columbia V0N1B6
Canada
6049057796 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ADSCPM.COM
NS2.ADSCPM.COM

email address on above is: prodesigning@hotmail.com

*****************************

Domain: freescratchandwin.com
Cache Date: 2003-05-20
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registrant:
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: FREESCRATCHANDWIN.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-02
Expires on: 02-Apr-04
Last Updated on: 02-Apr-03

Administrative Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ADSCPM.COM
NS2.ADSCPM.COM

***********************************************

Domain: freescratchandwin.com
Cache Date: 2005-07-13
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registrant:
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: FREESCRATCHANDWIN.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-02
Expires on: 02-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 30-Mar-04

Administrative Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CPM-MEDIA.COM
NS2.CPM-MEDIA.COM

**********************************************

Domain: freescratchandwin.com
Cache Date: 2006-02-15
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registrant:
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: FREESCRATCHANDWIN.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-02
Expires on: 02-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 30-Mar-04

Administrative Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CPM-MEDIA.COM
NS2.CPM-MEDIA.COM

******************************

Domain: freescratchandwin.com
Cache Date: 2006-02-15
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registrant:
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: FREESCRATCHANDWIN.COM
Created on: 02-Apr-02
Expires on: 02-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 30-Mar-04

Administrative Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --

Technical Contact:
Support, Customer
CPM Media, Inc.
PO Box 8978
Moscow, Idaho 83843
United States
(208) 301-2570 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CPM-MEDIA.COM
NS2.CPM-MEDIA.COM

above shows an adscpm.com email address of record.
*************************************

Notes: the 2003 data for Mr. Begg-Smith displays an email address which we have verified and he has also used. The dedicated server of adscpm.com also shows this domain as hosted. My step back indicates that the whois was changed to Las Vegas Nevada on 2/16/06 and on 2/15/06 this domain was previously registed to CPM Media Inc.

Sashman
02-17-2006, 02:36 PM
Tough allegations here

http://spamkings.oreilly.com/archives/2006/02/asterisk_on_popup_moguls_gold.html

Canadian-born Begg-Smith reportedly is president of AdsCPM Network (a.k.a. CPM Media Inc.), a firm notorious for using "driveby downloads," security exploits, and other cheap tricks to install spyware (including keyloggers and browser hijackers) on unsuspecting Internet users' computers.

One of his earlier sites

http://www.angelfire.com/tn/thinair/

We are sure that all of you would like even lower prices on the products sold on this web page, you can make our prices go down by clicking on the banners you see on this page. That way we can get a little money from that and cut our prices even more. Also we know most of you athletes out there can use some extra cash so check out how you can get paid to surf the web! No joke!

Steve_S
02-18-2006, 03:25 AM
Actually, I have better things to do with my time :) however my real wish is that Dale just sits down with the press, on the record, tape recorders running, and answers numerous questions in a direct and detailed manner about all his sites like AdsCPM. As of this date, all I have read are half truths, failure to respond, walk outs, evasive stuff from Dale. Thats a real shame.

Young people as well as all of us, can make a mistake. Yes! Me and you can! Thats part of lifes little lessons so just come clean, appolagize, learn your lesson, and move on.

If I saw this in it's complete and detailed form Dale, I would be the very first to congradulate the young man and help him any way I can. I could also just close this little issue and wouldn't have to spend valuable time on Round 2 private eye issues.

Breaking stuff via:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=adscpm

:)

Jan
02-18-2006, 08:21 AM
Opps...forgot a key piece of data which is time sensative.

I'm not sure if all of these sites are "kosher" with the GV rules but perhaps in the interest of "Journalisim" please consider letting them display ;)

The dedicated server which currently hosts AdsCPM.com ALSO hosts:

21 domains found on 69.28.210.140
Showing all 21.

Website
www.0dp.com
www.123expressview.com
www.Adscpm.com
www.Adslimitless.com
www.Adultexpressview.com
www.Advolt.com
www.Cpm-media.com
www.Datecal.com
www.Decknews.com
www.Free-scratch-cards.com
www.Freescratchandwin.com
www.Kill-pop-ups.com
www.Popnugget.com
www.Rebateshoppers.com
www.Searchblend.com
www.Searchprogress.com
www.Softtechltd.com
www.Websearchtv.com
www.Wfgtech.com
www.Xzoomy.com

:)
Looking at whois history, the majority of those are connected with adscpm.

LilBambi
02-18-2006, 03:05 PM
I've added an entry to my blog (http://www.bambismusings.com) about this after reading Steve's and Wayne's postings ... hope it helps some!

It's entitled Fool's Gold (http://www.bambismusings.com/?p=329).

After cleaning so many computers with this scumware (thanks Steve), it is nice to see that one has come to light due to the publicity over his skiing in the Olympics and winning the Gold.

Very sad story really...so many get hurt by unethical practices like those that may have given him the impetus to go on to win the Gold in the first place.

Mattox
02-19-2006, 02:03 AM
I dunno, i've read this whole thread now, and to me it seems pretty pathetic. The guy won gold at the olympics, now its time to hang him?

Is he still running this spyware biz? If he is then fair do's, but if he isnt and its closed down I rekon its time to move on.

Oh btw, i dont know him or anything like that, I just think the medal he won is going to be a big boon for that particular sport in Australia and trying to bring him down is in the end just going to turn kids away.

LilBambi
02-19-2006, 10:07 AM
OLD Scumware doesn't just go away or die ... much as we would like it to.

If this can be linked to him to the satisfaction of a court, and everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law (my understanding is that this is true in Canada and Australia too) ...

Using his 'earnings' from his errr, 'business' to live high and pay for all that it takes to get where he is today (winning the Gold), as he stated in interviews, would not keep him from being responsible for how he got that money ... at the expense of other people's money and property.

The Olympics is not just some normal, every day sporting event, it is 'the WORLD's Olympic sporting event of the year .. purporting that it's competitors use true values of exceptional human ability/skill as well as good moral ethics in their life ... and which, by extension, places competitors in general and winners specifically, in the place of being a Role Model for kids!

Some sports figures may not want this to be the case these days, but it's a fact of life.

Besides, the statute of limitations would not be any where near run out on such a crime in Canada or Australia ... would it?

Also, EVEN IF, he were no longer in it himself (or his brother) - he (they) could cut a deal ... help bring to justice others in the 'business' - who continue to do these dastardly things.

No, if these things are true, I don't think anyone would think he is home free on any score ... just because he won the gold.

If this is the path he chose ... it was the quick and dirty, unethical, and amoral way to riches in order to get what he wanted.

The Golden Rule is NOT "Them that has the gold makes the rules (although many politicians and corporations would like us to think so).

The Golden Rule IS 'Do unto others as you would HAVE them do unto you.'

Even if someone doesn't live by the Golden Rule ... Do no harm.

Steve_S
02-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Welcome to the "Village" LilBambi and Mattox :)

I do think that a civil and respectfull debate on this issue is healthy. IMHO, it's all about another of lifes little lessons:

Accountability for your actions. Weather they happened today, last week, or in 2002, any responsable parent understands that young people must "take their medicine" appolagize, learn from their mistakes, and move on. It's also germain to the business world. Ask any mature executive about it and they will often indicate that: "I made a mistake. It was wrong to do. I appolagize. Iv'e learned my lesson. It won't happen again" It also sometimes lands up in a court of law where the defendent pays huge fines for their previous actions which in fact occured years ago.

I kept waiting and hoping for this to happen with Dale but since it didn't, Iv'e released round 2 on him. :angel:

LilBambi
02-20-2006, 05:46 PM
Welcome to the "Village" LilBambi and Mattox :)

I do think that a civil and respectfull debate on this issue is healthy. IMHO, it's all about another of lifes little lessons:

Accountability for your actions. Weather they happened today, last week, or in 2002, any responsable parent understands that young people must "take their medicine" appolagize, learn from their mistakes, and move on. It's also germain to the business world. Ask any mature executive about it and they will often indicate that: "I made a mistake. It was wrong to do. I appolagize. Iv'e learned my lesson. It won't happen again" It also sometimes lands up in a court of law where the defendent pays huge fines for their previous actions which in fact occured years ago.

I kept waiting and hoping for this to happen with Dale but since it didn't, Iv'e released round 2 on him. :angel:

Thanks Steve for the welcome! Great to be here!

And after reading your round 2 ... I have posted about this new one on my blog (http://www.bambismusings.com/) as well. ;)

Mattox
02-21-2006, 06:36 AM
Thanks steve :) Glad to have joined such a great community!

LilBambi
02-21-2006, 07:28 PM
For a perfect example of why Dale Begg-Smith should not go free if proven guilty of doing or having done this type of thing to others -- here's an article by Brian Krebs on the Washington Post website about another very gifted, but misguided person who is making a bundle as we speak on this very type of thing.

Invasion of the Computer Snatchers (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/14/AR2006021401342_pf.html)

Czar
02-22-2006, 09:10 AM
That's a brilliant article, LilBambi.

How brave of Washington Post to admit half-way through the article that one of the companies they own inadvertently supported the spyware industry by actually purchasing ads through 180solutions; one of the most notorious players in the market.

The trouble with this whole situation seems to be that the general public, even those who have heard of the term 'spyware', don't seem to understand how damaging this software can be - or how it ends up on their computers. I spoke to two high-level journalists here in Australia in relation to this story and both, while clearly tech savvy, didn't understand how spyware worked, how installs are distributed or what the software is capable of doing.

The Washington Post article does a very good job of explaining all manner of questions related to this issue. For this reason, hopefully this feature article will be read by a huge audience of web users and fellow journos.

LilBambi
02-22-2006, 09:15 PM
Yes, a brilliantly written article and Brian Krebs has much insight into all of this.

Very thankful that he is out there making sure that these things come to light.

Longboard
02-25-2006, 09:24 AM
Please if any body here has some pull or contacts in Australia:
EXPOSE THIS GUY

He is about to carry the Flag in the closing ceremony at the games.
There is talk about putting him on a stamp!!

Somebody do something.:angry1:

Jan
02-25-2006, 09:34 AM
Yeah I heard this morning he was going to be carrying the flag :( I think it might be too late to stop that. He sure didn't show any pride in our flag at the medal ceremony, that alone should have eliminated him IMO.

Czar
02-27-2006, 03:28 AM
Well, it's done. Begg-Smith carried the flag as an international ambassador for Australia about 12 hours ago. I wish we could have been behind him all the way, as we are our other athletes.

Unfortunately, the suggestions that his company deliberately withheld payments from dozens or even hundreds of publishers (including many Geek/Talkers) and that his wealth has been derived largely through the distribution of malicious software and spyware, makes it impossible for many Aussies to hold him up as a hero of the slopes.

Press attention about Dale's business dealings seems to have died down here to a degree. This is again perhaps due to the difficulties that our journalists have not only in understanding exactly what these allegations represent, but in conveying these issues to the public in a meaningful manner.

I think it's safe to reveal now that I was in contact with a representative from this country's leading prime-time current affairs program, and a journalist from the country's largest circulation daily newspaper shortly after starting this thread. Both expressed a great deal of interest in the story, particularly the newspaper journo who contacted me immediately after becoming a member here. Both, however, seem to have found it difficult to locate Aussie victims to substantiate the claims and to showcase in soundbytes and quote grabs. That may be a good sign, suggesting that not many Aussies were victims. On the other hand, it might just be an indicator of how difficult it is for computer users to determine the source of any spyware that has infiltrated their systems or to identify those who have been complicit in stealing their personal data and invading their privacy.

I'm not an expert in the anti-spyware field so I'm not 100% confident in stating that Dale was directly responsible for the distribution of this dangerous and malicious software; along with all that that entails. Dale's own comments on this board, coupled with evidence provided by those who are experts in this field, don't paint a pretty picture of the situation, however. When that is viewed alongside the fly-by-night nature of the AdsCPM ad network, which attracted more than its fair share of complaint threads on Geek/Talk, and Dale's evasive and contradictory descriptions of his business activities, it's hard to see why this story didn't break more dramatically in this nation.

I have heard that a writer for another major Aussie paper has been in contact with another contributor to this thread in relation to publishing a follow-up article about the situation. That may trigger a second round of attention. If not, hopefully this event did at least stimulate enough interest in the highly spyware/botnet scene to encourage popular writers to help inform the public about the dangers that these networks represent.

Steve_S
02-27-2006, 11:58 PM
You ALL did great with the research.

I am aware of another member of the Press who saw enough "grist" in this story to fly a talented reporter from AU to Vancouver, BC where this member of the press is currently doing additional reasearch on this issue. In the very city where Begg-Smith lives sometimes :)

Natch, it needs legal approval so keep your fingers crossed :)

Steve_S
03-03-2006, 11:37 AM
<cough> :)

Today we have NEW "Ink":

---> Spyware cybersigns point to Begg-Smith
By Stephen Hutcheon and Jacquelin Magnay
March 4, 2006

SEE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/03/03/1141191842651.html

A scaled-down version was also published on page 3 of both The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age newspaper in Melbourne.

---> Spyware critics question mogul Begg-Smith's rise
Robert Lusetich, Vancouver, Canada
March 04, 2006 - The Weekend Australian

SEE: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18342922%255E2702,00.html

:angel: