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fello
12-10-2003, 12:42 PM
Hi,

I'm interested in buying live sites with Google PageRank of 6, 7 or higher.

I'll pay up to $2000 for a PR7 site.

Thanks!

Steve_S
12-10-2003, 01:46 PM
Hi fello


Welcome to the "Village" and best of luck :)

I hope you don't mind a few thoughts about your offer. Designed to help you and our members.

Buying a site of any flavor using PR as the primary criteria as per your post is not recomended. Why?

PR is but one of many considerations in rankings with G
PR often goes down and up so you have no guarantees for a given number
PR can be manipulated using procedures that G does not like and this sometimes results in no PR
PR should always be viewed as a relatively minor consideration and a natural result of many other more important factors
Talk on other Forums and here indicates that G either has or will recalculate the PR after a site changes hands and they already have the Whois data which they will and have fetched

NOTE: search our Forums and you will see quite a few threads on PageRank and such.

Having said this perhaps you can be a bit more specific:

What types of Mainstream sites (no porn here please :)
Traffic levels
Income levels

Good luck and HTH

Blazester
12-10-2003, 02:09 PM
Be careful doing this. Some sites may have high PR because the owner put links to it on one or two high PR sites. If you buy the site and then the owner pulls the high PR links you will be left with a worthless site.

fello
12-10-2003, 02:10 PM
Thanks Steve for your input.

Though, that's still what I'm looking to buy now. :)


P.S.
You wrote: >> Talk on other Forums and here indicates that G either has or will recalculate the PR after a site changes hands and they already have the Whois data which they will and have fetched <<

That's new to me. Are you sure if I just change the WHOIS info for my own site Google will drop the page rank?

Steve_S
12-10-2003, 02:59 PM
First a disclaimer :)

I'm not responsible for this sale/purchase and neither is my Company. You should hire an attorney and full time SEO/SEM to advise you on your proposed plan. You should not do this untill you have contacted Google, told them exactly what you wish to do, and obtained their detailed answer, clarification, and approval.

G takes a rather dim view of selling PR. They have been to court and won. See:

http://gooogle.searchking.com/

http://www.searchenginewatch.com/sereport/article.php/2165111

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=selling+pagerank

I said "recalculate the PR" and their is a world of difference with very very serious implications. I never said "drop" :)

I found one thread and I bet we have others:

http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22372

Post a new topic in our Google Forum which does not contain your purchase offer but does ask about purchasing a site using PR as the primary criteria and I'm sure one of our other SEO folks will pop in to help.

Good luck :)

georgec
12-10-2003, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by fello
You wrote: >> Talk on other Forums and here indicates that G either has or will recalculate the PR after a site changes hands and they already have the Whois data which they will and have fetched <<

That's new to me. Are you sure if I just change the WHOIS info for my own site Google will drop the page rank?

Actually, that only applies to domains that have expired first, then picked up by a new owner after its expiration. In this case Google resets the PR once it does expire. However, if you're buying an existing site, the PR will remain even if you simply update the whois info to your own. Otherwise everyone would be scared of making changes to the whois. :)

Chazhound
12-11-2003, 08:38 PM
There are numberous ways to trick search engines
and the PR values of web sites. And yes, you can
transfer the PR value so long as the site maintains.

But as Steve pointed out, Google takes a dim view of
the abuse of it's PR. That in itself should tell you not
to actively seek PR value web sites to purchase.

Besides, PR is more fun when you get it yourself :)

DrewM
12-11-2003, 11:25 PM
There is a big difference between selling PR as in the searchking case and buying a site that has high PR.

I don't see how Google would care or that it's any of their business if somebody buys a website & prefers to buy sites with high PR

Changing Whois data will not impact a site's PR

I believe in the original post - he just said he wanted to buy sites with high PR.

Having said - that - buying sites based just on PR is a waste of time - but it's a free country.

Chazhound
12-12-2003, 11:08 AM
Hi DrewM,
Welcome to GeekVillage!

You are absolutely right.
Google may not care, but may care also, who knows.
But they have made it public knowledge that they
don't like abuse of their PR system. If everyone started
buying for the PR value in itself, they may do something,
who knows.

But you brought out the main point being that is could
be a waste buying a web site on PR value alone.

Breesy
12-12-2003, 10:20 PM
Buying and selling of domains based on PR issues is a big business, I know many people who have aquired sites and redirected their page rank for other uses.

Although google may claim to drop your pagerank after your domain expires, first of al it does not happen, I have purchased many expired domains with no change in PR (Other than normal changes from dropped/added backlinks, etc). Secondly, its not possible for google to reset it. Google can place a penalty on your PR, but that will effect legitimate development later on. From a technical standpoint theres no way they can reset someones PageRank and have the new owner have a fresh start. During the next backlink update the old incoming links will pas on their PR and the pages PR will revert back to its old level.

DrewM
12-14-2003, 12:08 AM
Google ranks sites based on their "value" - PR being one element in the equation that aims to determine value vs search phrase

Who owns the site is irrelevent to Google.

1lit
12-23-2003, 12:00 PM
I think you are within your rights to specify a site with a high PR. Just like saying "I'd like a site which has such-and-such a ranking in Alexa".

> I'll pay up to $2000 for a PR7 site

Don't think I'd sell a PR7 site for such a small amount. Maybe it's possible to get such a high PR with minimal work, but mine have taken years of blood, sweat and tears :)

jclarkkent2003
12-23-2003, 05:12 PM
PR 7 is VERY VERY VERY hard to get, and I wouldn't sell mine if I had one for 2 grand. A site like that will most likely pull in big bucks.

One of my more popular sites, 007arcadegames.com, you can visit it via the link in my sig, has a PR of 4 right now, but I just got 6 absolutely huge free online game sites to link me yesterday, I am very curious to see how this effects my PR in the next update.

However, all these 6 new huge sites I got linking me, they all have 4,5,6 PR, I have not seen a real free online games website that has PR of 7. I don't know how hard it is to get 7 but it must be really hard, these sites I affiliated with have alexa ranking like 5,000-10,000.

jdsalr
12-23-2003, 07:59 PM
Hey,

If the guy wants to buy a pr 7 site...let him. He has every right too. Personally , I currently own 50 plus sites and none of them have a pr7. The two pr7 sites I did have however, I sold for big bucks. Both of these were 3+ years old, with tens of thousands of links, very tough to come by. Good luck in your search!

SWD
12-24-2003, 12:03 PM
exactly, if that is what he wants then let him.

AhmedF
12-24-2003, 03:18 PM
PR is over-rated.

JimsWorld had an interested article on its possible demise.

jclarkkent2003
12-24-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by jdsalr
Hey,

If the guy wants to buy a pr 7 site...let him. He has every right too. Personally , I currently own 50 plus sites and none of them have a pr7. The two pr7 sites I did have however, I sold for big bucks. Both of these were 3+ years old, with tens of thousands of links, very tough to come by. Good luck in your search!

No one is stopping him, everyone is just giving their opinion, as long as PR stays important, 2 grand may or may not be enough for a site with PR 7 depending on many factors.

BTW, do you mind letting me know which sites you used to own that had PR7 and how much you sold them for? PM me if you don't want to publically post but I'd really appreciate to know more.

jdsalr
12-25-2003, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by jclarkkent2003
No one is stopping him, everyone is just giving their opinion, as long as PR stays important, 2 grand may or may not be enough for a site with PR 7 depending on many factors.

BTW, do you mind letting me know which sites you used to own that had PR7 and how much you sold them for? PM me if you don't want to publically post but I'd really appreciate to know more.

One was http://skinz.org which appears to still be running strong.
The other was http://www.funxbox.com which appears to be going down the crapper.

Sales prices are confidential tho ;) Merry Christmas!

jclarkkent2003
12-25-2003, 06:16 PM
Wow, that's great, I visit those sites all the time actually. How about a ball park amount? I am curious bc I hope to have PR 7 's in the near future and I'd like to know an estimate of worth. PM me. :)

AhmedF
12-25-2003, 06:39 PM
Uh ... its not the PR7 that gives it any value.

http://www.indians.org/welker/apache.htm

PR8 - What do you think ITS value is? PR is just cream on top.

jdsalr
12-25-2003, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by AhmedF
Uh ... its not the PR7 that gives it any value.

http://www.indians.org/welker/apache.htm

PR8 - What do you think ITS value is? PR is just cream on top.

Ahmed makes a good point. It would be interesting to see what someone who is only interested in the pr of his site, would be willing to give him for it. A pr8 is excellent either way. :eek:

Rawplaster
12-25-2003, 07:46 PM
Who sells a PR7 site for $2k? I know I wouldn't.

Rawplaster
12-25-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by jdsalr
One was http://skinz.org which appears to still be running strong.
The other was http://www.funxbox.com which appears to be going down the crapper.

Sales prices are confidential tho ;) Merry Christmas!

Screen-Savers-Only.com is now redirecting to skinz.org, do you know what happened to the original owner of the screensaver domain, Daniel?

Czar
12-25-2003, 08:54 PM
Pagerank means bugger all in terms of website value. As has already been suggested here, it's just one quantitative measure of apparent relevancy, but one that can not only be manipulated, but which plays only a moderate role in determining search engine ranking.

NET-ADS had a PR of 8 for about six straight months. It has since slipped back to 5 due to algo changes and the like, with absolutely no effect on the site's traffic. In fact, it's SERP ranking on several high-value keywords has improved since the dramatic drop in PR.

I, too, have no objection to someone buying a site because of its PR. There are people who buy cars because of their handy drink holder. It's just that the many comments here claiming that sites that have PRs in advance of 7 are somehow immediately and conclusively valuable, regardless of their content and position in the market, seem a little off-base.

jdsalr
12-25-2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Rawplaster
Screen-Savers-Only.com is now redirecting to skinz.org, do you know what happened to the original owner of the screensaver domain, Daniel?

No, didn't even notice that. Wonder what's up?

Breesy
12-26-2003, 01:28 AM
I have to disagree that PR is not a major factor...

While google maintains its current market share (which it wont) and while PR has such a strong effect on the serps, then any site at with a PR7+ should be worth atleast $2000.

PR being a solely a ranking factor, means that a PR7 domain name with anchor text to match will mean that you could set up just about anything there and have it ranking very highly on google (+ Partners: Yahoo, AOL) for your anchor text keywords.

If you would like to prove me wrong, I challenge someone to get on the first page of google for any even remotely competitive search term without PR.

Its also not only about getting rankings, (I would not advise it tho, as a google dimise shouldn't be far off, as soon as yahoo reverts to whatever else their going to use [Inktomi?] over half of all google powered searches will be powered by a PR-less SE) But it is also possible to resell that PR via text links for a reasonable price, especially if you have a substantial amount of high PR subpages...

Steve_S
12-26-2003, 03:10 AM
My...what an interesting thread :)

I love challenges:

PR 5 for http://www.free-webmaster-tools.com/

Ranked 4 or 3 and has been that way for over one year!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=free+webmaster+tools

Dare I say that this term is not only competitive :) but folks pay a ton of money on the right hand side of the page :) PR is a very minor consideration in the equation and has little if anything to do with serps and should be viewed as either "icing on the cake" or a natural result of other far more important site construction and maintenance procedures.


I have others. Trust me :)

AhmedF
12-26-2003, 03:16 AM
Breesy, if we are talking about big ones such as web hosting or deb consolidation etc -

The pagerank is a side-product, not the cause of their rankings.

If I buy a PR7 site on igloos [for example], I can only compete within the field of igloos. Get into web hosting, and I will need a web hosting site. A PR7 site will command more than $2000 - not because of its pagerank, but because of its market.

Argh its too late for me to think clearly :). I think this thread is broaching too heavily into SEO anyhoo

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