PDA

View Full Version : how did you get so big?? (unofficial poll)


TheObeseNinja
05-23-2002, 01:10 PM
so i get on here and read again about this chick who feels like a failure cause she "only" gets 25,000 hits per day.

the numbers you people can get are staggering. i'm a REAL small fry, just starting up. if i bust my *** i can get maybe 500 people to my site in one day.

how the hell did you get so huge? what percentage of your success do you owe to advertising? a newsletter? positive word of mouth? top 50 listings and ****? search engines?

if you advertise a whole lot, how much do you spend?


- TON

gbrott
05-23-2002, 01:30 PM
in my opinion, search engines are the key to the game. master google and win.

My terms aren't nearly as competitive as some though - especially you guys with free picture sites and freebie sites.

Steve_S
05-23-2002, 02:04 PM
Hello TheObeseNinja and welcome to the Forums. I hope the following tips work in this order and help answer your question.

1. A real domain as opposed to a free host will produce better results

2. Design the site. Fast loading with great "usability"

3. Fill the site with content. Lots of content before you open

4. Promote first via SE and also exchange links with similar sites. Items 1-3 should be in place before you do this.

5. Lots of hard work in todays market for 2-4

Also, could you please refrain from using terms/slang, language, tone, and profanity which are innapropriate for these Forums. Don't hesitate to contact me via our BB Feedback Form and only this form if you have further questions on our procedures or need further guidence.

Good luck and thanks.

ccole
05-23-2002, 09:40 PM
My site currently gets on average around 10,000 hits/day, and while I did quite a bit of work on the list that Steve just mentioned, I attribute a lot of it to pure luck. It also takes time to get the site around...don't expect 25,000 hits within the first couple of days, or probably even the first couple of months.

AleR
05-24-2002, 03:44 AM
Google gives me tons of new visitors, also I like to use link exchange (it gives me higher position in google, and some visitors every day). And other search engines, of course.
But google is the best.

People visit you site again and again (advice your site to their friends) when you have:
1. Frequently updated content.
2. Useful content.

dRD
05-24-2002, 09:59 AM
For us, it took two years to actually see the site to grow "BIG" (in terms of our own specific niche). After a year full of daily updates, promotion, etcetcetc (no advertising tho, this is 100% hobby) we got to around 150k page loads a month. Second year passed and we were around 500k pageloads a month. Now third year has almost passed and we're at 2.4M pageloads a month. It takes forever -- even google doesn't give you good results unless you spend countless hours to build your "rep" -- to get Joe Average's linking back to your site from their personal websites, etc. You might think that this is pointless idea, because they send around 2-10 users to you a month from their geocities' pages, but trust me, it's not. Google _loves_ sites that have thousands and thousands of sites linking to it, even that majority of those small sites aren't necessarily related to your niche.

But hard work (and I mean 70-100hrs a week), tons of luck and interesting niche -- that's our recipe, even that we're still far, far away from becoming an "actual company" with employees, etc (with current ad rates, it would require maybe 10x the traffic we have now -- or one ad sales guru :-).

GlamKitty
05-24-2002, 11:06 AM
My site is not huge in traffic, but the site has not even been up a year. I think one reason new sites take time to build is that folks need to know you will be around for the long haul -- so many fold so fast.

I do know that my traffic increases are due to the following:

1) Google (the engine I use for my own searches too)

2) building partnerships -- exchanging links with sites that have the same market, but not competing products

3) Networking -- not in the MLM way, but in building relationships with other folks on boards ;) and in organizations. I learn from others in different fields & help with their problems & I find the spirit is returned too. Since so many help me with opinions etc. I find the best way to return the favor is to help others. When you share, and are open, it comes back -- either in help from another, or a lead from them.

4) I work at least 70 hours a week & spend 80-90% of that in marketing.

5) Contests work -- we offer monthly drawings for our subscirbers & have partnered for a huge one this month -- just started yesterday & it has doubled my traffic to my main site!

Overall, I say stick with it. Don't give up, or become discouraged & slack off thinking it isn't working. Internet does not mean easy, even if your friends think it is! ;) Be creative & kind & you will find even if your numbers are not staggering, your will make a living!

Deanna

GlamKitty
05-24-2002, 11:09 AM
I forgot to mention that I agree totally about the content. I view it as part of customer service.

The sites you visit regularly are those that are updated often & provide you with informaion (maybe even products & services!). If you think like a viewer, and design your site & promotion that way, you will find it works!

Deanna

avman33
05-24-2002, 09:49 PM
I've learned, through my experiences, that a great forum keeps the visitors coming back. When you have a great community people will come back and tell their friends.

We've almost reached the 1 million visitors/month mark, after four years.

ws2002
05-24-2002, 10:08 PM
Link exchange with every site you can. If one site only brings 10 hits a day, no problem, just repeat that 1000 times.

SWD
05-25-2002, 04:01 PM
that works for me! the link exchange to get better rank at google + highly new trafifc from the search engine.

Dave-AHFB
05-25-2002, 08:27 PM
There is a short and easy way, and there is the long and hard way.

The short and easy way usually involves signifigant cost and little in return, sometimes cheating the engines, joining popup exchanges, or paying $39.95 for 5 billion hits. These sites are seldom around long then they start over with something else. Traffic must start over also.

The long and hard way, always involves hard work, honesty(dishonest- see short and easy), hours hand selecting those to trade links with or whom you choose to sponsor your site, profesionalism in your discussions(remember, when you post to a forum all of us are potential visitors and customers, make a bad impression on forums and you have already lost visitors), research, research, and more research. These sites build a loyal base as you are too viewed as loyal. Sometimes these webmasters are able to crack a faint smile as they continue to grow and well, maybe prosper.

Dave

PS did I mention research?

ihosted
05-26-2002, 06:04 AM
I would think word of mouth is the key to success.

You cannot be solely dependent upon Search engines. As they bring one-time visitors. And without fresh new content added weekly, if not daily on your part. You will find it very difficult to sustain a feasible amount of traffic.

Sara
05-26-2002, 01:18 PM
=====================
so i get on here and read again about this chick who feels like a failure cause she "only" gets 25,000 hits per day.

=====================
ha ha ha,

I'm that "chick".

I came to this category looking for tips and found this great thread (with lots of helpful info).

It is all relative I think. I remember when I was getting 3000 page views a day and thought it wouldbe so GREAT to get 10,000, then 20,000. Now I get 30,000 and hear of people getting 250,000/day and want that. If they can do it I can do it, I have a high quality site, with a lot of content.

I find that updating my content daily really increases visitors (and i advertise the new content on my main page)...but that is hard to do....timewise, and difficult to find (or write) relevant, high quality content to add.

Getting media mention is helpful too. But that tough...and a whole other thread. (but I'm no expert).

Sara

GlamKitty
05-26-2002, 01:19 PM
Funny, but I would have thought that Dave would mention research...

<g>

Deanna

fancythis
05-26-2002, 09:50 PM
Updated Content is important. How much do we know about colors of our website and the effect it has on visitors. Do certain colors turn visitors away? Take a look sometime at high traffic sites and the colors of their pages. Blue is for Trust and so on and so on.

AleR
05-27-2002, 02:08 AM
Do certain colors turn visitors away? Take a look sometime at high traffic sites and the colors of their pages.

As a professional designer I must say, that colors are nothing. I've read a lot about colors, their impression, psychological effect, etc... And have own expirience about it.
Most popular sites on the web has white background color.
Everyone has his own favourite color. Most of people like blue. Why? Because it is the color of sky. All peoples like sky and sun of course.
Yes, if you use blue it gives you + 1-2% returned visitors. ...but it is too little, as for me.
(example- google.com)

Just one thing - don't make your site absolutely red or yellow cause it's hard to our eyes.

GlamKitty
05-27-2002, 03:15 AM
I have some thoughts on color use...

I agree, certain colors are hard on the eyes, especially when used together.

I also think color has some play in emotional response, like trust, or black for mood (which I don't think does well for, say, product sales, but works well for gaming sites etc).

I think the biggest impact color has is on branding. My site colors reflect my product, packaging & promotional materials etc..

Color can also work against you if it is not consistent (a major site design issue).

While overall, unless it is hard on they eyes, it may mean smaller numbers than some other aspects, I think color is a detail worth paying attention to.

Deanna

dRD
05-27-2002, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by AleR

As a professional designer I must say, that colors are nothing. I've read a lot about colors, their impression, psychological effect, etc... And have own expirience about it.
Most popular sites on the web has white background color.
Everyone has his own favourite color. Most of people like blue. Why? Because it is the color of sky. All peoples like sky and sun of course.
Yes, if you use blue it gives you + 1-2% returned visitors. ...but it is too little, as for me.
(example- google.com)

Just one thing - don't make your site absolutely red or yellow cause it's hard to our eyes.

Actually colors do matter and they've been studied quite a lot -- not by web developers, but by retailers and such (just like muzak what we hear in supermarkets, etc). Best example is definately McDonalds who uses mostly orange as a main color in their restaurants. You would think that it is because of their logo or so, but actually orange is a color that makes you "rush" things -> people finish their meals faster and make room for new customers. I think that nowadays they're changing this slightly, I assume that they've found that if people stay longer, they take bigger Coke and larger fries which are the core of their income (profit margins from french fries are much higher than from sandwiches :-). Just heard this stuff few years ago when I implemented one European McDonalds intranet and it sounded so funny/clever that I'll always remember it :-)

EvDeon
05-27-2002, 04:06 AM
No.... Colors are nothing. Content rules the Web. You should try to get maximum percent of returning visitors. They will never return to see your colors again - they will return looking for a new information, new content. You need to update your site as often as you can. It is a main key to success...

Xshare
05-28-2002, 04:54 PM
I actually share the same problem with the beginner of this thread. I rarely get over 200 visitors a day, and usually much less. I have no idea what to do next. I've been working on the site for weeks now. Google, Links with others, but people just dont seem to even come to the index page! (If design were the problem, they'd leave, but they haven't even come yet!) Sorry for starting up an old topic, but does anyone have any more tips? I have already done everything you told, but I still am not showing up on google or anything. Thanks alot, hope you can help me out.

dRD
05-28-2002, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Xshare
I actually share the same problem with the beginner of this thread. I rarely get over 200 visitors a day, and usually much less. I have no idea what to do next. I've been working on the site for weeks now.

"for weeks now"... No offence, but :-) It took 10 months to grow from 50-150/day to 500/day. After that things started going pretty rapidly. After you reach a certain point, when people start finding your site -- I would say that this takes anything between 6 and 12 months -- you can easily see growth-% of appx 100% a month until your traffic "matures" and slows into normal level, maybe around 5-20% growth a month (which obviously needs daily and constant updating of the content, site maintenance and promotion).

Xshare
05-28-2002, 09:18 PM
Yes, but as a soon to be 9th grader, I have alot of things going on and can't afford to work on my site all the time. The thing I'm counting on is that my site is quite unique, and that I hope others will tell others about it while I am gone for the next summer months.

Jan
05-28-2002, 10:12 PM
Welcome to the forums Xshare :) :wave:

xplore
05-28-2002, 11:06 PM
The best way to get repeat traffic over time is to have a good newsletter. Why get one visit from a user... when you can get an endless stream of visits over time?

One of my sites (BrainyQuote) just keeps growing and growing as I keep getting new newsletter subscribers via co-registrations.

Jeff

AleR
05-29-2002, 02:02 AM
Originally posted by Xshare
I actually share the same problem with the beginner of this thread. I rarely get over 200 visitors a day, and usually much less. I have no idea what to do next. I've been working on the site for weeks now. Google, Links with others, but people just dont seem to even come to the index page! (If design were the problem, they'd leave, but they haven't even come yet!) Sorry for starting up an old topic, but does anyone have any more tips? I have already done everything you told, but I still am not showing up on google or anything. Thanks alot, hope you can help me out.

..hm, but where is your NEWS? Of course I'll never visit your site again, 'cause it is static, without updating.
For example visit www.coolhomepages.com - first you can see is the NEWS. Thats why I visit them again and again.

Your design looks like design of your hosting company. ..why pills?

If your visitor number is groving 5-10% per month - it is normal.

Xander
05-29-2002, 06:01 AM
Well, there are two things I see on your site that could be a problem for search engines.

1. Most of your pages have dynamic URL's.
Some search engines don't index these.
Try using Search Engine-Friendly URL's (http://www.promotionbase.com/article/485) to maximize the number of indexed pages.

2. Create a unique <title> for every page!
This is very important as this tag is probably the most important for search engines.
You're losing a lot of traffic by using the same title for every page.

Do some keyword research for each page and use these keywords in the Title, meta-tags, headings and body text of that page.
Use tools like Wordtracker (http://www.wordtracker.com/) and the Overture Search Term Suggestion Tool (http://inventory.overture.com/d/searchinventory/suggestion/) for finding these keywords.

If you work on these things, I think your site will do better in the search engines and it will get more visitors.

Hope this helps. :)

Xshare
05-29-2002, 02:56 PM
What do you mean where is the news? Newest news was posted 2 days ago, thats not too static, is it? Sorry, I have finals and I'm practicing my lines for graduation so I dont have much time. The pills are a mistake (I used the wrong background for something, I'll change it soon. ) . Ok, I use postnuke as once again, as a 13 year old, I know nothing about coding PHP, just using it. I picked up a book and I'm on the section about include() so bear with me while I learn. I dont know how to make the URLs nondinamic without using some kind of frame or something, so I'll try that. The news on my site is there (theres just no date on it, I'll try to fix that soon.) I have a mailerdomo mailing list manager, so I'll be gettin that newsletter up as soon as possible. Thanks for your help people!

123Cheats
06-02-2002, 03:08 PM
Hello, I am new too these forums, my name is Peter.

I have been making sites for the past two years now, I started out on homestead.com for the first 9 months, and then switched over to a domain name and got proper hosting.

From there I have gained alot of experience promoting websites. Mainly game/gaming related websites. I have a few sites at the moment, one you may of heard of being 123Cheats.net (which recieves over 15000 visitors a day/45000 pageviews a day) or even Xtreme-Cheats.com (which recieves 8000 visitors a day/25000 pageviews).

The older of the two sites is Xtreme Cheats, which I have been running since October 2001. I have been running 123 Cheats since January 2002.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have got to say that content rules 100% especially with gamesites, and if you havent got content you have got nothing. It doesnt matter if you have a pretty design, with pretty colours and flashing lights....if you havent got content you wont get much visitors.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You should also partner with a few bigger sites, preferably that offer the same content or similar products as you. I run a kind of partnership on my website called Affiliation, most sites, especially gamesites have an option for partnership.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TIP for CHEAT/GAME SITES: You should submit your site to special directories that will spider your site and send you 1000 's of free visitors everyday. The more content you have, the more visitors you will recieve. Such directories include: GameZone.com, GameZ.com, INEEDCODES.NET, ConsoleMonkey.com etc. etc.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

HANDY TOOLS -
To check out your link popularity on searchengines you should go to: http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop , they give detailed results, and compare your link popularity to other sites. Including your competitors, microsoft.com & amazon.com.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------