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Old 08-23-1999, 09:48 AM   #1
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Dear People ,

It's that time of the month again . You have the bullets with you . I have the target . All I want you to do is shoot it . Please evaluate my site . I have two site designs that need evaluation . Both of the sites are the same .

Before you look at the sites just let me say that my main aim is to create a site with a sense of community . I want you to evaluate my site on the basis of whether or not it has this sense of community , besides all the other usual site design stuff .

Also , I really need assistance in creating a site logo . I am really blank! I only need a 100pixel x 100 pixel logo . Anybody care to help ? http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif

Ok ... here are the URL's

The first one
http://www.heartz.com

The second one
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Ignore the popup on the second link . Just wanted to upload things fast so I uploaded it to hypermart .

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Old 08-23-1999, 07:26 PM   #2
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The second one: http://heartzcom.hypermart.net

Inconsistancies in font size and selection. Nothing compelling, doesn't do much for me.

The first one:
http://www.heartz.com

I like that the purpose of your site is clearly stated up front, (clearly missing from the other site). I'd have to give the color some thought, my first impression is that it's bold, and I like it, although some might argue that it's a bit too dark, but like I said I like it http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/smile.gif

Some small detail work, I'd add some cell spacing to the columns. As I look at the site on my 800 x 600 screen, the main table appears off center, and there's a yellow line at the bottom shifted to the left.

With a logo, which I see you're developing, I'd say you're heading in the right direction.

Let's see what the gang has to say, and I'll be back for more...

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Old 08-23-1999, 08:07 PM   #3
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I like the hypermart version better

You should do something about centering or making the page adjust to the browser size. You wanna try you page at 1280X1024 to see it really pronounced

Regarding the hypermart page
i. UserName/Password/Email look like (but don't act like) buttons to me. Maybe simple text for these would be btter
ii. I like the "file card" boxes idea. I think it would be better to use a consistent color for the tab, and the box. Actually I think you have too many colors
iii. Too many different kinds of fonts. Pick a max of 1 serif for the headings (like Arial) and 1 non-serif for the non-headings (like Times). Verdana could be used as an alternative for the non-serif. I find Verdana SIZE=1 readable for really tiny text even on huge monitors provided it's not italic. Try taking out the italic, and sticking to a couple of font sizes.
iv. Signup here is not very readable against that blue. Maybe you could either try a darker red or a different color for either the text or the background.

Incidentally I think you should pick a consistent color/font scheme for not only your home page but as a running system through out your site. CJ do it very well (though their graphics load too slow), so when you're at CJ even if you're lost you immediately know when you're at CJ. This is what I will be aiming for ay my new sites in future.

I'm really a pay-per-sale kinda guy (as you know) so I don't claim to know much about banner sponsors - but it would seem to make sense to me to find a consistent (and prominent) place to stick the banners on every page through out your site. You might also want to think about using the LHS of your home page to put some general sponsor buttons or links provided they are fasting loading and not to garish. MSN programs at CT might fit the bill, alternatively maybe search the web with Ah-ha (they're in CJ) or Goto in this LHS.


These are just my opinions. I'm gonna want some comments on my new site soon (not quite ready to post the URL to a public BBS yet) so you'll have the chance to bash me back!



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Old 08-24-1999, 07:12 AM   #4
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Thanks for the possitive feedback .

Somehow or another , I tend to like the second design better but I agree to what Questy said about the fonts . I like Verdana because I find it gives a sense of strength. http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif

WildComputer : - The Email , Username and Password buttons were supposed to be headers not functional buttons . Did they confuse you at a first glance ? I need to know !

I am definitely going to use small button on the left hand side conner for advertisers . Anybody know any CPM sponsors for buttons ? As for banners , I have yet to decide whether or not to post them on the central site . Adverts are needed that is for sure but they tend to give an impression or commercialization . I want to avoid that . Buttons I believe , don't give that impression .

I have done some updating . To the site about the font problem .

Visit http://heartzcom.hypermart.net

Please revisit and rereview .

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Old 08-24-1999, 08:37 AM   #5
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Ok guys here it is ,

I have tried making the table to appear in the centre but have failed tremendously http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/redface.gif .

Help needed with the code . Please post if you could review my first homepage . The url is in http://www.heartz.com . I have been looking at my page in various browsers and I have suddenly discovered that I really love both designs http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif . I guess I would have to work on both and then choose or maybe even have a poll to choose which website gives a stronger sense of community.

Thanks and please bash the site even more !

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Old 08-24-1999, 08:40 AM   #6
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Yes they did confuse me. I clicked them!

The MSN clicktrade programs are quite unobtrusive and are button size, although they do vary in size by a few pixels. They are branding adverts, but they seem to get reasonable CTR. The reason I suggested maybe a search is that if used carefully it will look like your site has an extra function, but you'll get paid for it.

As your site is quite specific, don't you think you'll do better with targetted PPC (like CT) rather than CPM ?

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Old 08-25-1999, 05:42 AM   #7
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Hmmm....

Firstly for the benefit of others , let me just say that the current site being dicussed on my post now is the second site at http://heartzcom.hypermart.net . I have two sites (actually the same site with different designs) that require evaluation . The other site is located at http://www.heartz.com http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif

Your post of the button has really got me thinking .

What if I put a small pop-up that tells the user of what a username and password is ? You know .. it will be something of a sort of help thingy . Do you think that that will work ?

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Old 08-25-1999, 06:22 AM   #8
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I have played with my screen resolution and seen my site in different forms . All I can say is WOW !! You site can look so different in different resolutions .

The question I would like to post is what resolution is the best to work on when designing a website ?!

640x480 ?
800x600 ?
1024x768 ?

Please assist me by telling which is the most common for users on the internet .

THanks . http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif


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Old 08-25-1999, 10:38 AM   #9
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You can get a pretty good idea of what the internet's using (it about 85% with 800X600 or better) by visiting

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/August/res.html

If you use % measurements, or JavaScript, or server generated code you can easily make your pages adapt to fit the browser screen size.

Alternatively centering a table 600 pixels wide and putting all your content inside this table usually adapts reasonably well for any body who has 1280 or less screen width,

You should also monitor your site. My own visitors do not match the "average" visitors internet profile, as most of my visitors have some technical connection interest and have way above average screen sizes.

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Old 08-25-1999, 03:19 PM   #10
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Hey Heartz, I see you changed the design of my version a "little". I would just like to point out that when it was like it was then questy said that he liked it but now the hypermart one is like it is now then questy doesnt like it anymore.

I can understand why you would have to change it to fit all of that extra information on which I never included but if you want I can redesign my verson http://www.breezeblock1234.freeserve.co.uk/heartz/index.html so that it looks like what it was but still has all the information on. I think that my design looks awful now that you have extended the tabulated columns because it is out of proportion but email me if ya would like me to recreate the design using the exact same design type tha i did for the original.
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Old 08-25-1999, 04:27 PM   #11
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I think I made some comments on your version as well David. You have a couple of "bugs" in Netscape on my PC - 1280X1024, 24 bit color.

The "tabs" don't match the color of boxes, and there's a gap in your bar.

I still think centering the content if not the background would be good for larger screen sizes.

Apart from issues of personal taste, web design shouldn't just be about graphic design. Load speeds, how well indexed by SEs, ease of use, cross-browser compat, and most importantly - the ability to make some $$ should all be factors. I have seen sites which are outstanding say in graphics, but fail on other criteria.

In my own site designs, $$ and ease of SE indexing (into my favorite sE which gives me a disproportionate number of hits, and nobody else seems to target) tends to win out over other things. I have regularly tested cooler layouts, and usually find that I personally prefer to compromise on graphics to do better in other categories.

My new site is easily the prettiest one I've ever designed. As I expect to get 99% of my traffic via links or advertising, I won't have to compromise to get better SE indexing. I don't believe this kind of freedom applies to many other sites though, including Heartz.

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Any "negative" comments I've made on the various designs, should be taken with regards to the fact that I haven't commented on the 90%+ of the page that I like.

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Old 08-25-1999, 05:25 PM   #12
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To be fair to David , I think that I should add another link which was the original version of the whole second url . The link is http://www.breezeblock1234.freeserve...rtz/index.html

So we now have three links ! http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/smile.gif I just love making life complicated

Link 1
http://www.heartz.com

Link 2
http://www.breezeblock1234.freeserve...rtz/index.html

Link 3 ( Modified Version Of Link 2 )
http://heartzcom.hypermart.net

Review and bash !


BTW why do you always keep apologizing for being a critic , WildComputer ? http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif All your comments are extremely welcomed .

David , I will email you tommorow to discuss about the changes .

I also think I should shorten my signature as in the thread next door ! http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif

Off to bed now ! http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/redface.gif .

Good Night !

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It's a fine line between being a helpful critic, and a pain-in-neck critic. I'm trying not to cross it. Apologies for apologizing! I will be more ruthless in future...

Will take a longer look next time I'm doing a large upload. The most important suggestion I've made is the point about graphic design shouldn't be the only critiria.

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Old 08-26-1999, 03:01 PM   #14
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Well I am not takin search engines into consideration atall when I make it because frankly, I do something which I think is much better. I use a technique known as hallway and doorway pages.

This is a series of "mini" pages which are optimised for particular search engines and particular keywords. There will be several doorway pages linked to the main page.
I wont be submitting the doorway page though, I will be submitting a hallway page, this is a page which links to all your doorway pages. if you submit the hallway pages then this takes advantage of the fact that when a search engine spiders a site it ranks things it finds itself with a higher ranking than it would do if you typed it in.

This may sound really weird but it was the same technique I was using to get 3-5k per day to my ****py onlime magazine type site I used to have.

Using this technique there is one less thing to worry about when designing the actual page.
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RE: I would just like to point out that when it was like it was then questy said that he liked it but now the hypermart one is like it is now then questy doesnt like it anymore.

I'm really confused now!!!

Can we please stick to the original context of this forum that Steve played by before I got here. Initially, submit the front door page or proposed front door page to a site. I, and who ever else cares to join me, will evaluate the intial page. I sometimes stray a page or two deep just to check a site for consistency.

Also, if you want to have this be a learning experience for folks that want to follow, you could save your site when you first ask for advice, say as indexold.htm, that we can keep refering back to as you make updates. Right now we are jumping between three sites, rather than evalauting one, and it is getting rather confusing. Pick the link you want us to work with for now...

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