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Old 02-09-1999, 10:42 PM   #1
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Default Is Teknosurf still accepting websites???

Yet I just like to know if teknosurf is still accepting applications or not. I try three times over the last month and they keep saying they're full. Just want to know if they are buming just me off or not.. please reply!!!
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Old 02-10-1999, 01:05 AM   #2
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Well i think they are seriously bumming us . Well I feel that if we don't qualify they should just inform us . The fact that they are still advertising and have the signup page in their website confirms that they are still looking for members .

Teknosurf ... why can't you just tell us the truth .



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Old 02-10-1999, 06:30 AM   #3
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Hi all,

Yes, TeknoSurf is still accepting new members. The message they send out when 'rejecting' a site is a little confusing, I agree. It makes it sound as if their network is full, as you describe. From my conversations with John Ferber, it seems that the main reason for this is that they generally look to accept so many new members for each category of web site they are looking for. So, potentially, one topic could be full if there are a lot of sites already signed up, but there could be a shortage in others.

John mentioned the reason for the less than straightforward rejection letter is that things may change in the future. But, I agree, that a more simply worded message would be more appropriate. Perhaps we can get them to change it...

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Old 02-14-1999, 09:36 PM   #4
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I was accepted to Teknosurf late December and I must say they are very unprofessional. wRItInG lIkE THiS aLl OvER THeIr SiTe AnD iN eMAiLs; Webadverts as the perl script that serves the ads; vague Emails; and advertisers who are mainly affiliate programs and casinos. I asked them to exclude the casino banners because they are prohibited by my professional ad network, http://www.burstmedia.com . The first time I Emailed them I was ignored. Finally I called them and someone told me to email john@teknosurf.com (as I had before). I got a reply saying he wouldn't do it. So I replied asking them to drop my account - I only had $4 n there anyway at the time. I must say, *very* unprofessional.

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Old 02-20-1999, 11:53 AM   #5
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To address the recent posts on this board regarding Teknosurf

1) As an ad network we assume a liabilty over and above DoubleClick and that is to have 100 percent of our inventory sold, and in doing so we constantly balance the content and categories of sites we have to match the interests of our advertisers, if you applied to TeknoSurf and we informed you that we were full, it is not untrue, we simply can not take your specific site on at this time, while at the same time maintain our committments to our current publishers and advertisers. We understand that every webpublisher deserves to earn revenues from their sites and that is why we provide SEVERAL other programs in which enrollment is much more open to virtually any site.

I can understand your dissapointment in not being able to join but please understand that we simply cannot accomodate every single publisher there is on the per click model as we wish..

Next concerning OscarFish's comments regarding our unprofessionalism, I find that interesting as well.
I again understand his disappointent, however we simply cannot block every single advertiser that you dont want to appear on your pages, as well as accomodate the varying rules of other ad networks so that you maintain yourself according to their terms and conditions.. Furthermore we will galdly block the advertisment from any advertiser that is in direct competition with the nature of your site, i.e. a hotmail banner on your free email site, however we wont block ads simply because they aren't performing well on your site, etc... Our software does that intuitively on it's on and anyone who is a member of our network can attest to it's amazing end result.

Regarding using CaSeSenSiTiVe typing, if you could imagine how many people write asking for the answers to questions that are easily available on the site you would understand why we feel the need to stress the importance of certain information using Caps...

I sincerely do wish we could satisfy the needs of every single webpublisher in the world, however there are limitations in all that is involved in life and we certainly do invite everyone to participate in any of our various programs...

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Old 02-21-1999, 04:27 PM   #6
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John - a quick question...

you mention "several other programs" - i am just wondering which ones you mean. You have your payperclick, Jokes4u, and ....?

(I am just wondering - sorry if this post sounds a bit doubtful, but i guess its becuase of the overtones of this MSG string.)

- Thanks (again)

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Old 02-22-1999, 03:28 PM   #7
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I second Kev I V's post. In my month with Teknosurf I have seen banners for online casinos and jokes4u.com (internal, operating by Teknosurf as well) coming up the majority of the time. Let me tell you all, I doubt that if you host Teknosurf banners at your site you'll see half on the banners Teknosurf features at http://www.teknosurf2.com/bannerfarm/index.html, their bannerfarm. I've noticed that in many cases a Teknosurf banner at my site would display a broken image icon without a click-thru URL. Look at their bannerfarm and see if you see a banner come up at every slot on that page. In addition, flying sprites hovering around your cursor when you visit Teknosurf's site is easily considered less than totally professional...and although I remember a post here something to the effect of "P.S. I hope you registered your copy of WebAdverts" to be the funniest thing I have ever read on any discussion board, ever, I must say there is some truth to it. Although WebAdverts is a fine Perl script, freeware is generally inappropriate for a professional business.

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Old 02-22-1999, 06:27 PM   #8
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Woah - wait a sec!

With all due respect Oscar - you cant exactly second me we with that post - since i said nothing of the sort - in fact i can understand your dissapontment - personnally - i was rejected from Teknosurf's pay-pre-click program, but i dont hate them like most of you others in this msg string.

Still - just to make myslef clear in this great age of disclaimers - i only asked that question coz teknosurf seemed a legit operation so i wanted to know wether they had anything else to join (apart from Jokes4u - which I didnt even bother to signup for since their payment scheme is redeculously set to 5 whole cents per email address! But thats a different story altogether)

Anyway - as for the sprites on their homepage - i thought that was kinda cool, and it gave a good dazzle effect, which would give the site a more "sparkling" look - and show off their knowledge of cripts to potential advertisers (people who pay Teknosurf to pay us!) Although i must confess that it did get knida annoyin after a while...

After all that typing to no apparent point - i just want to restate my question: Are there really any other TEKNOSURF programs or not?

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see ya!
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Old 02-22-1999, 08:41 PM   #9
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Kev I V,

Sorry, I didn't mean to make my thoughts yours.

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Old 02-23-1999, 05:13 PM   #10
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hey everyone!

guess what i learnt to do?

http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

hehe!
thanks steve!

anyway -

Ryan Y. (well would you believe it? we have two ryans in our very own forum! http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif)

ryan - thats ok..! no harm done!

and after all that off-topic stuff - guess what? I still havent recieved a reply from anyone about what other prorgams Teknosurf has!! What do you say to taht John Ferber?! all I can say is that you must be really good at advertising and marketing your company!

later everyone,

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Old 02-23-1999, 06:49 PM   #11
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Hi Kev I V,

Yes, you bring up a good point...exactly what does everyone think about Teknosurf's external programs?

Note: the following opinion is biased and is of my sole judgement...

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Teknosurf served thousands of banner ads at my site over a one-month period and I came out with an average 65 cent CPM (cost per thousand). The majority of banners were casino banners and jokes4u.com banners - it seems there's little quality ads besides jokes4u.com (which Teknosurf operates) and casino banners which Teknosurf has bought from adauction.com last minute/sudden death buys.

Think about this for a second? Do you really think Teknosurf deserves space on your site for 65 cents per thousand impressions? A broadcast average is $3 to $4 CPM, with targeted ads going for $27 and beyond...

And another thing, I don't believe John Ferber's statement here:

"...and that is to have 100 percent of our inventory sold..."

You shouldn't believe it for a second. Many times I have seen a broken image icon and no click-through URL displayed at my site. Go to Teknosurf's site and see their bannerfarm - I'll bet that you see broken image icons. And good luck seeing half of the ads at your site that they display at their bannerfarm.

I've never met a site with 100% sold ad inventory, nor have I met an ad agency that sells ads with 0% space unsold. Think about this: what if they could sell 100% of your space, what would they fill it with? No legitimate advertiser is going to pay for THAT much exposure...so I suppose Teknosurf would fill that empty space with more casino banners. What kind of impression do your visitors get from your site when you advertise online gambling, which is illegal in many areas? Why do you think my primary revenue source, BURST! Media, prohibits member sites such as my own from promoting them? What if a kid visits your site, clicks on a casino banner, and starts gambling his parents' money away? What would parents think about YOUR site, not Teknosurf?

Personally for me it's not worth it. If Teknosurf claims to be as professional and almighty as it does at its site then it should get some quality advertisers.

65 cents to sell out to gambling...I doubt it's worth it to anyone. I'd go with a well-respected agency and have them serve quality, acceptable banners for a higher CPM. Then again, that's just me http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif

At the bannerfarm I saw a lot of casino banners couple of goto.com ads and one (count 'em, 1) external banner served by Focalink. Hmmm. Not exactly a stunning, diverse lineup...perhaps Teknosurf relies on your visitors' browsers' caches to sell 100% space? http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif

A note about third-party serving, such as what Teknosurf is doing with Focalink - I generally dislike it, as your proverbial slice of the revenue pie becomes merely a crust as more commision is taken by the middlemen.

I quit my Teknosurf account (and forfeited a measly $4.25 - that's all, for more than an entire month) because they wouldn't let me partly manage how they ran their campaigns at MY site. They depend on member sites to earn commisions...do they deserve it for using freeware WebAdverts and having flying sprites around your cursor when you visit their site?

The idea here is that Teknosurf ought to solicit companies to buy exposure/visitors from them, and then sell it over their network, instead of merely boasting about doing so.

The best way to learn about a company online is to hear word of mouth...has anyone heard any praise for Teknosurf *when the praise doesn't come accompanied by the person's referer link (for which the person earns a handsome referral fee)*? I haven't, and I doubt I ever will.

Does John Ferber actually believe that sites are *happy* with what Teknosurf is doing with the space member sites allocate for it? I dropped my Teknosurf account, and I wish I didn't have to, but that's what happens when Teknosurf doesn't put its members' (who they depend for money on) interests first.

So ask yourself, is it really worth it? I don't think it is. I invite John Ferber or anyone else to defend Teknosurf. Perhpas a greater question than the one which originated this thread is, "does it really matter that Teknosurf might still be accepting websites?" For me it doesn't matter. I've moved on and I've found a sweeter deal, and I will stick with it.

P.S. Targeting ad banners, John, doesn't lead to 2% click-through rates (your site says your unique serving software decides which banners to show based on past performance). Those are industry-standard broadcast results. Webadverts must not be working as well as you hoped it would...

Thank you all for listening. I don't mean to slander Teknosurf here, I am merely reporting on my personal past experiences and interpreting them based on what I believe now.



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Old 02-23-1999, 07:48 PM   #12
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Hi,

Ryan,

It your statement right before this reply. You said "I've moved on and I've found a sweeter deal, and I will stick with it." Woudl you mind telling us what deal this? Thanks.

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Old 02-23-1999, 08:00 PM   #13
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Hi Dave,

Sure. Right now I'm using a few different advertisers. BURST! Media gets the premium real estate at my site and at the bottom ofd each page I rotate Valueclick banners, occasionally an affiliate program (amazon.com and beyond.com), and some non-paying advertising such as LinkExchange.

I've found that my click-through rates all hover around an even 2%, and this is acceptable for broadcast non-targeted ads. I'm making around a $2.25 CPM altogether from Valueclick without displaying casino banners (I love the option to exclude banners!) and my affiliate programs are doing all right.

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Old 02-24-1999, 04:06 PM   #14
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Wow! Oscar! you are really upset about something arent you?

You have must have been typing for an hour or two! http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/smile.gif

Anyway - i cant exactly respond to all that you have written - and i dont think anyone except one of our admin's would have the patience to highlight and discuss every point you make - so just in the intrest of keeping this discussion going - here are a few of my comments...

Personally - i agree teknosurf slacks off a bit when it comes to stats like you metion and obtaining new banners and basically attracting people. From what it seems the only reason they have such a high payour PER CLICK is that they get very few clicks in the first place! Each clikc is therefore rewarded more handsomely.

But they are afterall a new company - and as you said no company should be expected to have a full inventory. So right now they should hopefullu be trying their hardset to sell their view statistics to advertisers in hope of more income. This means that they are willing to pay you more and pay you for referrels becuase now all they want is to have more sellers (people like you) so that they can get more buyers (big companies)!

This leaves it upto you to decide - will you remain loyal to teknosurf and bear with them while they try to attract both buyers and sellers, hoping that meanwhile you can make a few cents while banner quality improves and you start hitting it big. Other wise will you stay away from them and wait for them to improve, and then sign up?

THiknk about both ways, one way you get payed high amounts but few clicks (get your friends to click! http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/ubb/wink.gif ) or else you wait hoping that many others join and that they dont decrease their payouts for newer members, in wait of better days ahead!

And back to john ferber - i dont have a very good opinion of him either since he still hasnt replied to an email of mine that i sent in late december 98!!

Also when you say you have not heard good praise of teknosurf (except from affiliates of theirs) I disagree - we have heard praise from Ryan Adams - and if you ask me that is a very substantial matter. If i am assesing him rightly - Adams would not recommend any of us a program unless he was definately sure of its handlings. He is not the kind who would praise Tekno- so much just for the referral payout. Am i correct Ryan A. or am i just lookin on the perfect ideal of human kind that just doesnt exist?

And frankly i am dissapointed with your (Ryan Adams') off-weekly newsletter. It is not filled with the high content purely objective information that we have come to regard you as a provider of. That was very un-ClickQuick.

so - lets see how long we can keep this string going!

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Old 02-24-1999, 05:13 PM   #15
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Ok, guys. Sorry to be away for the board for so long. I will try my best to respond to some of the questions here...

Let me back up by saying that I gave Teknosurf a good review after hearing about the results some affiliates had received with them. If you recall, I first rated the program a $$$ (out of $$$$) which is a good, above-average rating. This was also around the same time I downgraded Safe-Audit because of all of the complaints that I began to receive about affiliates not being paid. So, perhaps I gave TeknoSurf the benefit of the doubt because I know that they have been very consistant in paying affiliates.

Later, when they added the two-tier referral program, I upgraded the program because it now contained three special elements allowing web sites to earn money with them. First, the standard banner click-throughs, Second direct referral and second-tier referral commissions, and third, residual commissions based on the amount of money those you referred generate. Now, that may seem biased that those factors influenced my review, and I fully disclose I make a decent revenue referring new affiliates. But these three factors are things that most affiliate programs do not offer. And even fewer pay-per-click programs.

Now this might have been enough for that initial rating, but as you know I am not one to leave a rating untouched if I dont think affiliates have a good chance to make money. Quite a few programs have received downgrades over the last 6 months because of changes in their program, or poor feedback I received.

What I am getting to here is that as the referrer of quite a few members, I can also see approximately what they are making each month. And I can tell you quite honestly that their are no less than 4 that are in the $250 or more per month range. I would guess that at least 25% are receiving over $20 per month. By affiliate standards, that is quite good, given that many sites are low traffic.

That and the fact that they do pay in a timely consistant manner means I continue to give them an above average review. I also agree that their selection of ads is not always the best in the world, and this is partly because they are still a young network. Hopefully, their sponsor quality will improve with time and as the network grows.

As for them not approving some sites, I would actually praise this activity because it means they are growing in a controlled fashion. All too often I have seen good affiliate programs come along, and be swamped with so many new affiliates that their whole system breaks down. This has happened to both Safe and ValueClick, and quite a few other programs...

Lastly, for Kevin, I am surprised to hear your comments about the newsletter. I have received quite a lot of good feedback over the last two issues, and I would really like to hear your concerns for what about them was un-ClickQuick like. I am always open to suggestions for improvement, and if you think my newsletter has become anything less than objective, please let me know why so I can change it!

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