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Old 09-14-2003, 10:05 AM   #61
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Default my last comment

My last post regarding personal attack was addressing Sashman's accusations.

As far as privacy, the reference to doubleclick is not pertinent. That case (and the laws) addressed cookies used for marketing and monitoring without user consent.
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Old 09-14-2003, 10:13 AM   #62
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Why would you need to do a spyware scan to see if you have a kazaa cookie on your system. Besides you claim your machine is clean, so did you install Kazaa and then do a scan? Regardless, spyware scans have nothing to do with cookies that reflect preferences.
yes, they do..any spyware scanner worth its salt will take out any cookies related to kazaa / p2p adware, spyware, "preferences" etc

the forum rules have not been broken (possibly sashmans 'greedy' remark is pushing it a tiny bit..), infact, I believe that YOU have broken the forum rules..

http://www.geekvillage.com/posting_guide_for_bb.htm - please see section 9 - Hijacking Surfers

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im just quoting the rules here, not saying you should be banned or anything - thats up to Steve of course!!
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Old 09-14-2003, 10:42 AM   #63
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You are partially correct in that user authentication is required. But, and back to the beginning, how is a generated pop-up, on a clean machine any type of authorization?

And I quote from law:
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knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;
and this goes on and on as to what "damage" would be considered as. There are no specific examples of "changing a homepage" but are examples of
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knowingly and with intent to defraud traffics (as defined in section 1029) in any password or similar information through which a computer may be accessed without authorization
Would it not be considered "intent" to change or defraud traffics away from an already designated homepage?
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Old 09-14-2003, 10:54 AM   #64
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I guess the next step would be to see how the law defines...

"protected computer"
"defraud traffics"
and
"authorization"

That was a good post by the way, diamondstorm.
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Old 09-14-2003, 11:13 AM   #65
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tx!

And yes, it would be in the "interpretation or definition." IMO, this can only be achieved by a judge, in a court of law. And in order to get to that point, there would already be an alleged act of infringement, malice etc. etc.

I'd like to know your opinion on those items you quoted. No, I'm not baiting you, as I will give my interpretation as well. I'm just off to the hardware store for some things to do a small project for the wife...

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Old 09-14-2003, 11:24 AM   #66
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I guess the next step would be to see how the law defines...

"protected computer"
"defraud traffics"
and
"authorization"

That was a good post by the way, diamondstorm.
I would agree with jokearound, if you're hijacking users and their computers, I definitely would not want to do business with you as that makes you no better than Gator.

I also find it interesting that you appear out of the blue after 3 years and virtually all of your posts have been in the last 24 hours.
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Old 09-14-2003, 11:27 AM   #67
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Default interpretation or definition

Well I looked at the laws you quoted and none of them address our actions and it would be a stretch to try to trick a judge into applying them to our situation, even if we did not argue user pre-authorization.

Section 1029 refers to defrauding telecommunication systems to circumvent payment. And the term traffics has nothing to do with web traffic.

Protected computers are defined as financial institutions and governmental machines. And the fraud the law addresses are intentional access to said machines to attempt to cause damage.

And of course if you could prove authorization, then none of the above even matters.

The way I see it, the issue at hand is an ethical/business one, not a legal one. But we'll see how this plays out.
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Old 09-14-2003, 11:32 AM   #68
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>I would agree with jokearound, if you're hijacking users and
>their computers, I definitely would not want to do business with
>you as that makes you no better than Gator.
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>I also find it interesting that you appear out of the blue after 3
>years and virtually all of your posts have been in the last 24
>hours.

Exactly!!! And Gator won the legal battle if you haven't been following the cases. Many business people love and hate Gator for the almost exact reason they will love or hate me. The advertisers on the Gator network love them. Many users are annoyed by them and the competition abhors them.

And what's so interesting that I'm here after 3 years when somebody posted false information about a practice with which I am primarily involved.
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Old 09-14-2003, 11:43 AM   #69
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As a publisher, I would be concerned over the practice. In the end, if this happened to my visitors, I'm sure I would receive some blame for allowing the ad.

You have also been avoiding my issue with the porn ad you are popping. Does this meet the TOS of SI's pop up program?
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Old 09-14-2003, 12:11 PM   #70
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>terms of SI are concerning advertisers providing adult content.

I couldn't tell you specifically about the terms for advertisers.

However I can tell you, SI runs separate programs for adult sites (popuptraffic is not one of them) and they have in the past removed adult adverts from their popuptraffic rotation after having been notified about them by their publishers (me).

admin@popuptraffic.com is the 'official' email address for any publishers or potential publishers with questions about the program.
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Old 09-14-2003, 12:12 PM   #71
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Exactly!!! And Gator won the legal battle if you haven't been following the cases. Many business people love and hate Gator for the almost exact reason they will love or hate me. The advertisers on the Gator network love them. Many users are annoyed by them and the competition abhors them.

And what's so interesting that I'm here after 3 years when somebody posted false information about a practice with which I am primarily involved.
Ahh, so you feel validated to promote scumware because another scumware company won in court? I feel very sorry that you lack any sort of ethics but then you never get blamed since you hide in the shadows and let the publisher take the blame.
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Old 09-14-2003, 12:16 PM   #72
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Default another personal attack

Despite yet another personal attack against the TOS of this board, I'm wondering - do you have a user-end problem with Gator if user gives explicit agreement to their terms before installation.
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Old 09-14-2003, 12:18 PM   #73
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You have confirmed my thoughts, you really don't want to answer the question.
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Old 09-14-2003, 12:23 PM   #74
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No the only think I confirmed is that I am trying to respect Steve's demand that we keep this discussion on topic and it has nothing to do with your attempt to change the subject. I would be more than happy to address off topic questions through private email.
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Old 09-14-2003, 12:30 PM   #75
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I believe it's very much on topic.
At the heart of the matter, publishers showing ads that may cause a loss of credibility.

In both cases, forcing a homepage change, as well as displaying 2 "smut" ads on exit puts the credibility of the originating site in question.
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