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Old 08-09-2001, 09:56 AM   #1
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Thumbs up CMG Enterprise Banner Network: $0.25 CPM

I just applied to CMG Enterprise Banner Network (www.cmgenterprise.com) and got accepted within half a day.

They are a CPM network that pays $0.25 CPM, with 100% sellout rate (they may take 10% of the banners for their own purposes). They allow one of their 468x60 banners to be displayed per page. They do not accept pornographic, illegal or contraversial sites. Although they are a CPM network, banners do not have to be placed on the top of the fold, and other advertisers' banners can be on the same page. They pay net 45.

This company seems to have some relationship with Amazing Media (AM is mentioned on their Policy page).

Well, I've had their ads up for half a day now, and things look good so far. I haven't observed any undercounting, and my stats indeed show $0.25 CPM. If they actually pay me, then this will be great! (I can't believe I'm saying that $0.25 CPM is great...)
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Old 08-09-2001, 10:12 AM   #2
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CMG Enterprises pays the above CPM rate for delivering rich-media ads. When only a GIF ad can be served, due to browser limitation or code limitation, no payment will be made.
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Old 08-09-2001, 10:19 AM   #3
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Doh, I didn't see that. Well, most visitors can see rich media ads, can't they?
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:07 AM   #4
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You also need to checkout:

http://66.33.83.213/forums/showthrea...threadid=12034


This is another geek/talk thread where we were discussing pop behinds. It seems that CMG uses AdButler which throws up a LOT of annoying popup windows. It really was affecting my customers on my site and they are very happy now that I did away with CMG.

As a side - it may just be coincidence, but today is my first day without CMG and my site is running tremendously faster than it has for the past couple of weeks.....coincidence or something related? Only time will tell...
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:12 AM   #5
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The other posting about FastClick popunders contains some information about CMG Enterprise. I believe that people should investigate them further before committing. Although I haven't researched them enough, it appears as though:

1) They may be using AdButler to rotate their ads. I make this statement based on a poster who is using them, and his code reads:

<!-- Begin CMG enterprise.com's AdButler Code -->

I looked at the HTTP requests of the code on his site. Here was the first request:

http://imgserv.adbutler.com/adserve.ibs/;ID=126995;
size=468x60;setID=42941;aff=on;loc=0;type=img

It then made this request:

http://ad-adex3.flycast.com/server/iframe/ScholarshipsNews/ScholarshipNews/;referrer=imgserv.adbutler.com%2fadserve%2f%3bID%
3d126995%3bsize%3d468x60%3bsetID%3d42941%3baff%
3don%3bloc%3d0%3btype%3diframe;/377834 HTTP/1.0

Which shows that CMG is simply pulling banners from an Engage account called Scholarship News. They have a site here:

http://www.scholarships-news.com

Same Engage adcode. They may even be violating Engage's TOS -- I see 2 different Engage CPM ads on that page.

Check it out yourself. Here's the adcode that was given to that other site. Go to this IFRAME:

http://imgserv.adbutler.com/adserve/;ID=126995;size=468x60;setID=42941;aff=on;loc=0;ty pe=iframe

View the source, and you'll see Engage code for Scholarship News.

I don't believe that Engage allows you to resell like that, and I bet they don't allow you to transfer an existing adcode to another site (or network of sites).

Even if they did, using an ad company that is just reselling another network seems dangerous -- for example, what if Engage throws them out for a TOS violation? They don't get paid, which means you don't get paid. And given Engage's questionable future, I'd be even more wary.

I guess I'm saying, investigage this company a bit more. They don't seem to professional -- it would be like me starting a "network", and distribuing my Engage adcode to other sites and promising to pay them based on that.

Oh, they also show popups/popunders. I guess the Scholarship News account doesn't have those types of ads blocked.

For all I know Scholarship News may have an agreement with Engage, but there's no way to know for sure, and I kind of doubt it because they're going under Scholarship News, not "CMG Enterprise Ad Network". Personally, I'd like to know how they get no defaults from Engage -- I get 90% defaults. If it's CTR based, do you think that the CTR of dozens of subsites can be so high that Engage doesn't serve them defaults?

Oh, it seems they use other Engage accounts too -- I got code for PollitcomFreeWebPolls. I also saw a redirect for this Sonar account:

GET http://ad2.doubleclick.net/ad/sonar.free-4u/free-4u;sz=468x60;num=123456? HTTP/1.0

The site www.free-4u.com is clearly run by the same organization -- they have the Engage Scholarship News code on that site.

Does anyone have any idea how this site can get basically no defaults from Engage? I refreshed their code a number of times and all I saw were paying ads -- either from Engage or Sonar on rare occasion. Why is it that my site gets 90% defaults from Engage? CTR can't possibly explain the difference, because I haven't heard of anyone getting nearly 100% paid from Engage. All I saw were Capital One, Colonize, Apartments.com, etc. -- at least 50+ in a row. If you view my adcode for 50 times in a row you get a default after 1-2 viewings.

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Old 08-09-2001, 11:16 AM   #6
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Hmm, it's popping up a popunder every page, now that you mention it. I've seen CasinoOnNet and BonziBuddy popups so far.

Is there a legal way to supress this? (If not, I guess I'll live with it---I need the money.)
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:20 AM   #7
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Thats bad news Ralph, because I've just been accepted by them (within 1 hour!)

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Old 08-09-2001, 11:20 AM   #8
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Guess it was them then. I was just getting lucky because I rotate through different banner networks so I only got 1 every few pages.


-- I'm not trying to get you all into trouble, but I just contacted Engage to verify that what they are doing is legal. I'd hate to have Engage suffer because of a big cheater like this -- we need all the good ad companies that can to stay in business!

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Old 08-09-2001, 11:47 AM   #9
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I also posted about CMG Enterprise in a previous thread. I have an anime site and it is hard finding a good cpm company. Although they respond quickly to emails and you get accepted quickly they have annoying popups which annoy alot of my visitors. I have made enough money to get paid and I will post my experience when I am paid. I am not an expert in web building but it shouldn't take 14-16 days to get rid of those annoying popups. And they still havent fixed the problem. Popups only seem to appear on certain banners.
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:52 AM   #10
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Since they're using Engage, they have to play by Engage's campaign rules. Once a campaign is started in Engage, the only way to stop it is to e-mail Engage and ask them to manually remove the campaign. Since there are multiple popup campaigns, and since Engage is probably not very responsive right now, it will probably take that long to get the popups taken down.

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Old 08-09-2001, 01:04 PM   #11
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It sounds to me like what they are doing is legal. They appear to be pulling an Everyone.net. Redirect to enough places and you can eventually fill your ad requirements Now the question becomes: how much more honest than Everyone.net are they (they have to be more honest, but how much more)?
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I wouldn't go so far as to say it's legal. Does anyone have a copy of Engage's contract? If I get rejected from Engage, they obviously don't want their ads on my site; why would it be OK if I used someone else's adcode on my site and had them pay me?

That just doesn't seem right to me. Burst doesn't allow this, by the way.

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Old 08-09-2001, 03:08 PM   #13
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A copy of the contract wouldn't help if CMG Enterprise has an entirely different one (which they likely do).
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Old 08-09-2001, 06:18 PM   #14
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True, but why would they sign up under an existing account? Why not create a new account to keep the site and the network separate from another?

I suppose that could explain the 100% paid ads that I was seeing, although that hardly seems fair to other sites who are just scraping by, because I can't see how having 100 different 10,000 impression per month sites can achieve significantly higher CTR than larger sites.

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Old 08-10-2001, 12:36 AM   #15
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I suppose which one they use doesn't matter if they're able to track each individually.

Often bigger sites can get better deals than others.

I personally am just wondering two things: 1) what do they have to do with Amazing Media, and 2) are they Engage resellers or are they licensing Engage's technology (and if they are resellers, when's the danger zone cutoff point considering Engage's precarious financial position)?
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