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Old 05-23-2002, 01:10 PM   #1
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Default how did you get so big?? (unofficial poll)

so i get on here and read again about this chick who feels like a failure cause she "only" gets 25,000 hits per day.

the numbers you people can get are staggering. i'm a REAL small fry, just starting up. if i bust my *** i can get maybe 500 people to my site in one day.

how the hell did you get so huge? what percentage of your success do you owe to advertising? a newsletter? positive word of mouth? top 50 listings and ****? search engines?

if you advertise a whole lot, how much do you spend?


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Old 05-23-2002, 01:30 PM   #2
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Default search engines, search engines, search engines

in my opinion, search engines are the key to the game. master google and win.

My terms aren't nearly as competitive as some though - especially you guys with free picture sites and freebie sites.
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Old 05-23-2002, 02:04 PM   #3
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Hello TheObeseNinja and welcome to the Forums. I hope the following tips work in this order and help answer your question.

1. A real domain as opposed to a free host will produce better results

2. Design the site. Fast loading with great "usability"

3. Fill the site with content. Lots of content before you open

4. Promote first via SE and also exchange links with similar sites. Items 1-3 should be in place before you do this.

5. Lots of hard work in todays market for 2-4

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Old 05-23-2002, 09:40 PM   #4
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My site currently gets on average around 10,000 hits/day, and while I did quite a bit of work on the list that Steve just mentioned, I attribute a lot of it to pure luck. It also takes time to get the site around...don't expect 25,000 hits within the first couple of days, or probably even the first couple of months.
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Old 05-24-2002, 03:44 AM   #5
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Google gives me tons of new visitors, also I like to use link exchange (it gives me higher position in google, and some visitors every day). And other search engines, of course.
But google is the best.

People visit you site again and again (advice your site to their friends) when you have:
1. Frequently updated content.
2. Useful content.
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Old 05-24-2002, 09:59 AM   #6
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For us, it took two years to actually see the site to grow "BIG" (in terms of our own specific niche). After a year full of daily updates, promotion, etcetcetc (no advertising tho, this is 100% hobby) we got to around 150k page loads a month. Second year passed and we were around 500k pageloads a month. Now third year has almost passed and we're at 2.4M pageloads a month. It takes forever -- even google doesn't give you good results unless you spend countless hours to build your "rep" -- to get Joe Average's linking back to your site from their personal websites, etc. You might think that this is pointless idea, because they send around 2-10 users to you a month from their geocities' pages, but trust me, it's not. Google _loves_ sites that have thousands and thousands of sites linking to it, even that majority of those small sites aren't necessarily related to your niche.

But hard work (and I mean 70-100hrs a week), tons of luck and interesting niche -- that's our recipe, even that we're still far, far away from becoming an "actual company" with employees, etc (with current ad rates, it would require maybe 10x the traffic we have now -- or one ad sales guru :-).
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Old 05-24-2002, 11:06 AM   #7
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My site is not huge in traffic, but the site has not even been up a year. I think one reason new sites take time to build is that folks need to know you will be around for the long haul -- so many fold so fast.

I do know that my traffic increases are due to the following:

1) Google (the engine I use for my own searches too)

2) building partnerships -- exchanging links with sites that have the same market, but not competing products

3) Networking -- not in the MLM way, but in building relationships with other folks on boards and in organizations. I learn from others in different fields & help with their problems & I find the spirit is returned too. Since so many help me with opinions etc. I find the best way to return the favor is to help others. When you share, and are open, it comes back -- either in help from another, or a lead from them.

4) I work at least 70 hours a week & spend 80-90% of that in marketing.

5) Contests work -- we offer monthly drawings for our subscirbers & have partnered for a huge one this month -- just started yesterday & it has doubled my traffic to my main site!

Overall, I say stick with it. Don't give up, or become discouraged & slack off thinking it isn't working. Internet does not mean easy, even if your friends think it is! Be creative & kind & you will find even if your numbers are not staggering, your will make a living!

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Old 05-24-2002, 11:09 AM   #8
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I forgot to mention that I agree totally about the content. I view it as part of customer service.

The sites you visit regularly are those that are updated often & provide you with informaion (maybe even products & services!). If you think like a viewer, and design your site & promotion that way, you will find it works!

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Old 05-24-2002, 09:49 PM   #9
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I've learned, through my experiences, that a great forum keeps the visitors coming back. When you have a great community people will come back and tell their friends.

We've almost reached the 1 million visitors/month mark, after four years.
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:08 PM   #10
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Link exchange with every site you can. If one site only brings 10 hits a day, no problem, just repeat that 1000 times.
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that works for me! the link exchange to get better rank at google + highly new trafifc from the search engine.
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Old 05-25-2002, 08:27 PM   #12
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There is a short and easy way, and there is the long and hard way.

The short and easy way usually involves signifigant cost and little in return, sometimes cheating the engines, joining popup exchanges, or paying $39.95 for 5 billion hits. These sites are seldom around long then they start over with something else. Traffic must start over also.

The long and hard way, always involves hard work, honesty(dishonest- see short and easy), hours hand selecting those to trade links with or whom you choose to sponsor your site, profesionalism in your discussions(remember, when you post to a forum all of us are potential visitors and customers, make a bad impression on forums and you have already lost visitors), research, research, and more research. These sites build a loyal base as you are too viewed as loyal. Sometimes these webmasters are able to crack a faint smile as they continue to grow and well, maybe prosper.

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PS did I mention research?
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Old 05-26-2002, 06:04 AM   #13
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I would think word of mouth is the key to success.

You cannot be solely dependent upon Search engines. As they bring one-time visitors. And without fresh new content added weekly, if not daily on your part. You will find it very difficult to sustain a feasible amount of traffic.

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Old 05-26-2002, 01:18 PM   #14
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so i get on here and read again about this chick who feels like a failure cause she "only" gets 25,000 hits per day.

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ha ha ha,

I'm that "chick".

I came to this category looking for tips and found this great thread (with lots of helpful info).

It is all relative I think. I remember when I was getting 3000 page views a day and thought it wouldbe so GREAT to get 10,000, then 20,000. Now I get 30,000 and hear of people getting 250,000/day and want that. If they can do it I can do it, I have a high quality site, with a lot of content.

I find that updating my content daily really increases visitors (and i advertise the new content on my main page)...but that is hard to do....timewise, and difficult to find (or write) relevant, high quality content to add.

Getting media mention is helpful too. But that tough...and a whole other thread. (but I'm no expert).

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Funny, but I would have thought that Dave would mention research...

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