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Old 02-27-2000, 01:37 PM   #1
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Post Children's Online Protection Act - Coming soon!

Word to the wise --> The "Children's Online Protection Act" becomes law (in the United States) on April 20, 2000. Depending on what kind of site you own, this may affect you to varying degrees. If your site is for kids, this may have some serious implications. Heck, even if your site isn't for kids, there will be precautions you should take.

Read more about it here: http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/ftc-2000-02-p1.html

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Old 02-27-2000, 02:47 PM   #2
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Yes "A", this is a critical topic that we really nead to discuss in copious detail.

Even though I have no first hand knowledge of any "children under 13" across all of my sites that would fall under the pervue of this law, Iv'e chosen to fully and absolutely comply accross every one of my sites. Obviously, this will take time and research.

Our rules on this BB as well as my home page already have a link to:
http://www.very-cool-stuff.com/protect_children_pg1.htm

Their isn't much on this page as far as details as I need time to research and comply. What I do think a page like this does is reassure folks that we keep up with the laws and are responsible Webmasters/Owners.

The FTC link is:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9910/childfinal.htm

I'm passonate about presenting a "responsable" and "concerned" image even if my content is not targeted at "children" That's not to say or infer that I agree with every single word in the law. But, it's the law so I'm going to willingly comply.

In the past, I have recieved email and even a phone call from a concerned parent who read one of my opt in emails and woundered if his kid had purchased anything. While I had "Dad" on the phone I removed his kid from every list and sent him an email confirmation of this.

Iv'e also chosen NOT to place any adverts on any of my Compliance Pages as I think this is demeaning and quite frankly innapropriate.

UBB author Ted has announced a version of the BB that will be in compliance but that's about all I know about the issue. It could get sticky with a requirement for a new registration/email but if this is the price we have to pay to protect our "kids" then so be it.

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Old 02-27-2000, 04:05 PM   #3
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well, i must admit i haven't read the law, but there's no doubt it will face serious Constitutional hurdles. passing a law and passing a Constitutional law are two very distinct things.

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Old 03-21-2000, 10:31 AM   #4
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Indeed, as far as I know, no significant portion of any federal child protection law has survived a court challenge. I haven't even gotten around to reading this one yet--I assumed from the title that it would be struck down before it would matter http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Old 03-21-2000, 10:53 AM   #5
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After reading that description of the law, it seems like the best way to handle it would be to simply ban children under 13 from the site, and provide the email addresses of appropriate legislators to complain to.

Unless you're running a site targetted directly at kids, they just won't be worth the effort any more.
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Old 04-19-2000, 08:27 AM   #6
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So what does this do for chats like Gooey and others using toons? WildBrain.com and Yuk Yuk.com?
Animated chracters?????? Very broad ain't it? All and ANY animated GIF.s fall under that. And what about the Anime sites?
As if adults aren't catered to by animation
and cartoons. Typical broad sword approach to a delicate surgical procedure. Needs to be done more in the home than a blanket over the whole scene. And as long as in most any search engine one can find some Bimbo and her German Shepard act listed right next to
Disneyland (see Voila..Mamma..Ferret..etc.) in all it's explicit glory, with key words targeting the innocent who cant help BUT read the entry..and click right in with NO safeguards..all photos fully accessable to any one..high tech software that grabs info and can even invade any computer..'mafia' run sites that are generated not just from the USA but from Russia and many other spots outside the US reach..this law is impotent posturing. It's the same old headline grabbing story..impotent politicians posing for the cameras and everyday guys like us scrambling to show we 'care'. Not much different than the gun stuff. Plenty of existing laws on the books yet they do nothing to those who don't obey the law in the first place. The old "only criminals will have guns" bit. Before you say I'm nuts..how many of US target kids in order to take advantage of them? What would you say the percentage is? Zero?
The ones who nail the kids will not be effected by any ineffective laws. The problem MUST begin from the inside with the big guys like Yahoo and other search engines that control what's available. Some no brain politician trying to make points with a computerless farmer in Iowa is the real danger. Those of us in the USA that have the freedoms that are regularly being eroded by these jerks have the most to lose.
I guess Homer Simpson and his bunch is really geared to children? NOT! FREE and fed up with the nonsence.

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Old 04-19-2000, 12:17 PM   #7
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it does nothing as stated before, the law must likely will be killed as unconstitutional, plain and simple.

it's a political law (for votes) that over reaches, as they all do.

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Old 04-19-2000, 01:47 PM   #8
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As they all do is right. As if THIS administration has anything to say that's not hypocritical.
By the way F'housing..how come your sites are both blank? (Kind of refreshing... http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif)

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Old 04-22-2000, 07:01 AM   #9
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For those who missed it, Excite! terminated all free email accounts owned by children. Anybody aware of any other fallout from this?

I'm in the process of adding polls, forums, etc. where users are required to have accounts, so I've done the only safe thing and banned the kiddies http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif I allow them to read the text, but they can't have accounts and thus can't vote, post, etc. It's unclear at this point whether the FTC would consider video game sites to be targetted at children automatically or not.
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One of my Excite.com mail accounts was terminated hehe seems I had my birth year down as 3267 instead of 1967 so looks like your banned, even if You have not been born yet. Are they going a bit overboard ??? Hehe

FYI, Everyone.net has added a *disclaimer that says you cannot have a Email account if you are 13 or under. Whew, so my free email site is covered http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

Question, will we be held liable if "Tell-A-Friend" sites don't adhere to the law??? I notice some (ALL) of the TAF sites I use have not added a 13 or under disclaimer to the sign-up pages. They in fact have the age of the person as an optional form item.

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Old 04-22-2000, 01:39 PM   #11
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Today I'm strugling with this issue accross my sites. I'm behind and not sure which way I will go. Weather just to ban under 13 or try and work out the complex consent stuff.

Regardless of what you or me may think of the law and the obtuse notion that it will never "stick" it is LAW TODAY and exspect all the affiliate companies, hosting companies, ad networks, and you name it to start "requiring" compliance. It's a "good" law at it's foundation but complaince is another story for me. I just counted 12 scripts/services that need it.

Certainly some will try and challenge this law but the ACLU already failed and a supreme court case takes years and years to work it's way up.

Has anyone implemented it? I would love to see how you handle it. This BB already has a compliance version which will be installed in a few days.

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Old 04-22-2000, 08:11 PM   #12
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just curious, steve_s do u lean right (republican) politically?

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Not really fairhousing. COPA is LAW so I comply. Matter of fact, I comply even though I have lot's of wiggle room on this site and have no knowledge of any child under 13 using this BB or any service on this site.

Any party affiliation I may or may not have is really a non event when it comes to protecting the most cherished asset we have. Our children.

I want to set a good example and hope others follow. Thats one of my main roles on this BB as it is with all the talented Moderators who work with me. It's also one of the things that IMHO set us apart http://geekvillage.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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While the goal of protecting these kids is a good one, it is also too neat a vehicle for those who would erode, dare I say, what freedoms we yet percieve.
"In the name of the children" is a pervasive battle cry of those who care more about the polish on the hob nails of their 'Jackboots'
than who or what they step on. Your attention is directed to the door of another American home kicked in yesterday 'in the the name of the children'. While this law may be of some value, I sense the usual smell of rat.


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