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Old 09-02-2000, 02:48 AM   #1
ekke
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Question Do SEs index ssi code itself or ssi output?

I wonder if search engines index ssi code itself( ie. <!--include=*****--> ) or ssi ouput.
I hope former is true because I use ssi call in every page.
But I heard SEs index skeleton(code) not the output.
I am so confused about this.
Any info will be appreciated.

One more thing I wonder is if outgoing links to my competitors will improve my page's ranking.
I know the links to my page will do, but don't know if outgoing links(in my page) to other sites will do.

Thanks in advance for your teaching me and other beginners.

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Old 09-02-2000, 06:56 AM   #2
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As what I think is the case:
Server side includes are called like that because they are generated by the server. (that's why some servers don't support this feature) So my opinion is, search engines wont notice any difference.

Same goes for ASP programming (and other) allthough most search engines don't follow dynamic links (i think they drop the ? part, but i heard some rumors like they'll be working on it, as search engines are currently missing like 90% of the www's data because it's in databases)


Please correct me if I am wrong, I am not 100% sure about this.



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Old 09-03-2000, 10:22 AM   #3
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I agree with Toon, search engines do index pages including the SSI output. It works well for my site which uses a LOT of SSI includes. Without the information shown in the included files, the search engines would not be able to deep crawl my site.

Search engines view the page like a regular user would (although with a less advanced browser... like Lynx perhaps?) http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

Secondly, I'm not so sure about this, but I believe that if your site has a good ratio of content/links (but not a links wharehouse) then some search engines rank you higher because of the usefulness of your site. Meaning, if you provide many links, then your content is viewed as useful for the reader (true hypertext) as opposed to a plain text page with no links to the outside world. Not all search engines do that, but I guess that for those who do the links must be links to the outside, not internal.

I hope this helps!

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Old 09-04-2000, 02:28 AM   #4
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Thanks, Toon and Ramses.
First question is solved..you are right.
About second question, Ramses, do you mean that what work are links to outside, not inside links?

Hmmm, if so, directory site would be rated high by SEs...there are so many links in it.
But if the site is powered by a cgi using database for indexing and storing links, it will not work!

SEs don't crawl to database, even txt one.
Anyway, I guess ingoing links work better than outgoing links.

Heee....if so, I should edit every html whenever adding some sites to my links....it's terrible.

I may find some static links cgi, not using database or on-the-fly...

another interesting I found is that some SEs index message board, even each post.

I guess this message board can't be indexed because as you can see the address on the top, "?" is ignored by SEs.

My thought might be wrong :-)
If so, correct me plz.
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Old 09-04-2000, 04:25 AM   #5
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I think this message board is a good example of a board that actually does (or at least) could be indexed. As UBB generates html files for each thread.

And for your linking question: I don't think the major search engines rate you how much links you have to the outside. This isn't at all a valuable source to indicate wether or not a site is valuable. They do remember your links to the outside and they use it to rank the sites that you link too (if you are listed, and they get listed ....) (link popularity) you can check such thing in most search engines by searching for 'link:http://yoursitename.com' and then you get a listing of indexed sites that link to you...


Anyway that's how I understand it, please correct me if I am wrong.

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Old 09-04-2000, 12:39 PM   #6
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Regarding link-popularity:

From what I've heard, Google regard some sites as "authority hubs", and may give you a boost for having lots of links to other popular sites.

However, I've not experienced this first-hand.

I had quite a few top 5 listings for sites(and pages) with almost no outgoing links, at least none with links to any other sites on the same subject.

At the last update on Google, I lost several of these, which goes to show that nothing lasts on the search engines :-(

Ah well, I'm crossing my fingers for the next update ;-)

Oh, and in terms of in-going links, I've found that many external links pointing to your domain might help all your other pages on that domain (if they're linked to from your homepage).

In other words, it seems that it doesn't matter if noone has linked to the exact page (on Google) as long as they're linked to from your domain's index page.

I hope I made sense

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