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Old 11-11-2004, 02:55 AM   #1
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Exclamation Alternatives to Adbrite/MarketBanker

The AdBrite/MarketBanker website was recently blocked by my over-protective ISP, reason being they contain "pornography".

I think their support for adult sites triggered my ISP's filter. The ISP refuses to unblock.

Is there an alternative service to sell in-house banner ads like AdBrite? I know of TextAds.biz (which treads on Google AdSense's toes), and AdProject.net closed down. Anything else?
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Old 11-11-2004, 08:58 AM   #2
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You could try purchasing a copy of AdRevenue from W3Matter.com, or explore InClick.net. Both provide platforms conducive to the user-friendly sale of contextual ads on your site.
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Old 11-11-2004, 10:58 AM   #3
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Wow. Worst ISP ever, are you in the USA?

You are not missing anything with adbrite, at least not for me. My sales with them plummented.

I just went back to adsense and inhouse offer above it. Google said they had no issue with that setup. But I talked to google on the phone about it (they had asked me to come back), so I do not know if that setup is allowed across the board.

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Old 11-11-2004, 01:37 PM   #4
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Hehe, no I'm based in Dubai. The ISP censors all "fun" adult material.

Hmm, inClick seems to be an AdSense wannabe, and AdRevenue is a phpadsnew-type program. I actually have phpadsnew installed through Fantastico (provided by webhost).

I was just looking for an all-inclusive standard banner advertisement management without the hassle of using a separate credit-card processor and giving advertisers a login and statistics. Only Adbrite seems to provide this. I found phpadsnew confusing the last time I tried to use it. Guess I got to find time to read the manual.
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Old 11-12-2004, 01:17 AM   #5
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Adengage also offers something similar to Adbrite.
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Old 11-12-2004, 06:24 AM   #6
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Adengage also offers something similar to Adbrite.
Looks promising. Wish they did banners too. Are they reliable?
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Old 11-12-2004, 07:14 AM   #7
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Looks promising. Wish they did banners too. Are they reliable?
I believe so. They're kind of new, but I see them everywhere. They sell text links to your advertisers on a flat-rate basis, where you set the price. But the network ads they run on your site appear to be lead-based.
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Old 11-12-2004, 09:57 AM   #8
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I just began using Real text Ads this week. Easy to setup. They pay CPC. The code works by taking all your text on the page and linking certain keywords that advertisers have bought. You control the colors. When an visitor's mouse moves acrossed the word, a little layer hovers and you can read a link description. My main drawback so far after 2 days is on pages with a lot of text like forums, it has taken 35+ secs to place all the links in and it locks up the webbrowser until it's complete. So I am currently only using them in the news area of my site for further testing to see how people respond.
the company is at www.realtextads.com and I think it's run by the same people who do Real Cast Media, so you will be paid ontime. Overall, I like the ads as they aren't intrusive and don't take banner space like other text ads.


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I have been told that next week the problem with the length of time to place the ads will dramatically be reduced.

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Old 11-18-2004, 12:31 PM   #9
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Are there any services that offer banner support (other than AdBrite)?

After selling AdProject and the new owners subsequently letting it die (sad for me to watch), I have nothing to sell my own ads through, and it's driving me nuts! Tell me some replacements...seems to be not too many companies left in this field.

I wonder why the banner networks haven't added a self-serve layer on top of their own systems? I always thought this would be the holy grail of ad companies...create a truly market driven system that requires almost no maintenance...sure, in some ways you'd be competing with yourself, but that's better than competing with someone else...

OK, that's enough rambling from me for now.
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Old 11-23-2004, 12:47 PM   #10
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So THAT's what happened to Adproject. I was looking for it again recently. Why not start something like that again?

AdBrite.com is now unblocked by my ISP but their subdomains are still blocked so I can't see their ads on any website. I hate AdBrite for supporting porn.
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So THAT's what happened to Adproject. I was looking for it again recently. Why not start something like that again?
Well, a couple reasons; 1) I'm busy with other projects, 2) I agreed to a non-compete with the buyers, and 3) I sold it for a reason

Somebody with more time than me should DEFINITELY do it though...I'd be happy to let anyone pick my brain about the things we did right and wrong to avoid the same problems as us - I'd really like to see a good, working, successful system out there.
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Old 11-23-2004, 01:18 PM   #12
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If you are looking for something that is relatively similar you could look at Ad Jungle at http://www.adjungle.com

They charge more than Adbrite/MarketBanker as well as more than AdProject did.

However, they are reliable and their parent company as been online for 10 years.
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Old 11-23-2004, 01:43 PM   #13
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Interesting. At a 40% commission, though, that's a full-serve network rate.

Oddly enough, too, they only allow CPM's between $1 and $25. I can understand the lower end (even though I think it's still too high), but why have a max CPM? Targeted, self-serve advertising is MADE for high CPM's...strange.
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Old 11-29-2004, 12:59 PM   #14
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Hi all. I just joined and it took a couple of days for me to get approved here. I'll answer these questions and more as you go. I have no problems with anyone complaining about our model or numbers. They are what they are, and our decisions were made because they made sense when we made them. I'm open to improving the service, so fire away.

The 40% is our number. Why? Because. We looked around at what others were charging and saw a range of values. FastClick is 35%, and some full service houses we had contracts with charged 45% to 55%! Also, we have the ability to use some of that 40% for special deals. We have given some people ways to earn a piece of referred business (not Larry, he just posted because he likes us), or to give special friends a higher percentage. If we were at 30% or lower, we would not have the room for anything like this, and we would have to do more business. Also, this is off the gross. we don't charge for collecting money or for other fees that reduce the actual amount of money we collect.

The other reason we think 40% is not unreasonable is that we give you control of 80% of the default spaces. So, if you have nothing sold, you can place your own AdSense code into the default slots and we will service this for you at no charge. We get nothing from 80% of the impressions we serve on sites that are not sold out. You earn 60% of all money we collect - clicks, directed buys, and our defaults - but 100% of your own defaults.

The CPM numbers are somewhat arbitrary. We limit it to $1 on the low side because anything below that and it gets hard to pay for the bandwidth and overhead with our revenue share. The high side is to keep someone who does not know what they are doing from setting it to $100 thinking that they will be actually get advertisers at that rate. We can allow you to adjust the rate if you get booked up at $25 or have evidence you can support a higher rate.

Also, we have Cost Per Day as an alternative, which can allow sites to charge near infinite CPMs depending on their traffic levels. So, a site can set their daily rate to $25. If they get 100 page views a day, they have effectively set this for a $250 CPM.

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I wish you a warm welcome to Geek/Talk, Brad. For those unfamiliar with Brad's name, Mr Waller has been an instrumental figure in online marketing for many, many years. A bit of a classified guru this one. Anyway, welcome!
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