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Old 04-16-2003, 10:39 PM   #1
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That looks like the Google AdWords distro deal coming into effect:
http://www.geekvillage.com/forums/sh...threadid=20770

Definitely not good news for affiliates.
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Old 11-12-2003, 06:43 PM   #2
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Welcome to Geek/Talk gophergas

Amazon aren't bad, and remain worthy of exploration for certain sites and in certain circumstances. Much of the sentiment in this thread is generated from disappointment at the service's recent performance, but it does remain one of the better all-round sale-based affiliate programs.

Don't get me wrong, I've personally reduced my exposure to Amazon.com, and am finding Google AdSense and a few game-specific affiliate programs fitting replacements in many cases, and I share the concerns made here. Still, don't dismiss Amazon before you've compared their performance and range of linking options against others in the field. They still pack a mild punch.
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Old 04-17-2003, 12:58 AM   #3
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You really have to wonder how many off-site links they can throw on the page without effecting (affecting?) their sales. I would imagine they will proceed very very carefully with Adwords. Those are definitely AdWord Ads. If you search for "absolutely fabulous" on Google, you will see the same ads mentioned appear on the right side of the Google search results page.

I don't know if you noticed but one of those ads is pretty funny, given where they are appearing ..... "Cheaper than Amazon and Others"
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Old 11-05-2003, 11:55 AM   #4
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This is an old thread, but thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I dumped Amazon.com a long time ago because I found they didn't convert well. Regardless of that, I think Amazon will do as they please and if that hurts affiliates, so be it. Why? I'm guessing affiliates represent a very small portion of their sales.

If someone wants to buy something from Amazon, most people will just type the domain in their browser and not "find it" through an affiliate link.

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Old 11-14-2003, 09:11 AM   #5
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Seems like a lot of work for only $5000 per quarter. That's not peanuts, but it still only works out to $1700 per month.

Just me?
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Old 04-16-2003, 08:12 PM   #6
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Angry Bye-bye Amazon

I'm calling it quits with Amazon. First they messed around with the commission structure. Then they introduced 'Pick Up in Store' (no affiliate commission). The proverbial nail in the coffin is they're now running third-party affiliate links on product pages in competition with their own products. As in the following example:
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Customers interested in Absolutely Fabulous may also be interested in:
Sponsored Links (What's this?)

Absolutely Fabulous
Find the Lowest Price Here! Prices, Reviews, Specs, and More
www.pricegrabber.com

$78.98 for Complete DVD
Cheaper than Amazon and Others Complete Ab Fab Season on DVD
www.comedycatalog.com
I've sent them hundreds of my visitors this month and had one marketplace sale, the worst month I've had in years. Not good enough. Bye-bye, Amazon.
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Old 04-16-2003, 10:29 PM   #7
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It was on this page, but it's gone now.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671527142/
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Old 04-17-2003, 07:02 AM   #8
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Simon, it was that particular phrase that angered me. And I'm guessing that it's that particular phrase that caused the adwords to be pulled by Amazon. Odd that it was there one day, I posted about it on the Amazon associates' BB, and then *poof* it disappeared.

And you know what I found? BBC America, a CJ advertiser, sells that DVD set for the same price that comedycatalog.com advertises it. So my Ab Fab link now goes to BBC America. Their commission rate is 15 percent.
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Old 04-17-2003, 07:58 PM   #9
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Sheesh! If I knew this thread was gonna be 'stickied' I would've tried harder to sound articulate in my original post.

Nintendo, your circumstances with Amazon are very different from mine. Heck, if I was having your results with Amazon I'd have no desire to find a replacement for them...unless I thought I could do better elsewhere. It works for you, for a number of reasons, but it's not working for me. And my experience is more representative of the bulk of Amazon's affiliates than yours simply because most of us can't produce (or don't know how to produce) at your level. You've done a spectacular job with them and there's no reason for you to leave as long as things go well for you. But I'm curious if you're concerned about how Google adwords placement on Amazon product pages might affect your commissions?

I had a bad feeling that Amazon's affiliate program was rolling downhill from the first of this year, but I thought I'd give them time to work out the issues. Instead of working them out the problems have grown worse each month. No regrets...I had a good run with them. They were my first affiliate program and paid the hosting bills for a while.

Timo (tim-o, not tee-mo or tie-mo) I suspect that the affiliate managers at Amazon are counting on the affiliates being either, 1) too lazy to pull their links, 2) too naive to realize they're being used as cannon fodder, 3) utterly unaware of what's going on. With 900,000+ affiliates they can probably afford a good bit of attrition of mid-level producers like us. (If you list biography vids, give A&E on CJ a whirl.)

The other thing I'd like to mention is how I feel, as a consumer, about the carnival atmosphere of Amazon's product pages. There are so many links to different things that it's extremely distracting. It makes browsing difficult and I think it's going to backfire on them. My guess is that sometime last year they hired a new VP of something-or-other who's been demonstrating his or her usefulness by throwing a zillion ideas into the pot. All it's done, IMHO, is raise the noise to signal ratio. But then I'm a K-I-S-S kind of gal.
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I've periodically checked that Ab Fab video product page that I first spotted Google adwords on.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056WJZ/

Haven't seen the adwords again but now there's an ad for BBC America (an Amazon partner that does *not* qualify for the affiliate program).

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The Best of the Beeb
The sharpest miniseries, the most lifelike documentaries, and off-the-wall series in our BBC Store.
Click the link and you end up here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...f=v_wa_bbc_ec/

Once again, Amazon takes their cut and eliminates the hardship of having to pay the affiliate. No wonder the affiliate program is in a shambles.

What's with all the new ref= tags? One interestinging one I picked up today was ref=pd_ecc_rvi_f
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Hey, Nintendo! Okay, I'm confused again. I thought that the FAQ spelled out which Amazon partners were eligible for affiliate commissions and any that weren't listed were ineligible. Where does it say that if an ASIN number is listed that means it's affiliate eligible? I don't remember seeing that anywhere but it's been a while since I read the terms.

Could you try to get Amazon to provide some clarification on this? (They like you almost as much as Google does!)

How do you get that upside-down exclamation mark?
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I ain't got no stinking option key!!!!!

!!!!iiii!!!!

I'll just have to settle for that.
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One more thing that dawned on me this week is that having a Google search box on my sites is the equivalent of affiliate self-mutilation.

The scenario: I put a Google search box on my sites, which lets visitors search within Google, potentially for products I'm promoting on my very own sites. The visitor clicks on a link that takes them to Amazon who then ships them off to a third-party program from whom they buy the products I'm promoting!!! Makes no sense at all.

Sheesh. In the last few months I've eradicated Alexa, Amazon and Google from my sites. Who else are these guys shacked up with? Does anyone else smell anti-trust?
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Jesse, much as I admire your success, maybe you should fill gophergas in on how you've become so successful with Amazon. He might benefit from knowing how many pages you've made and how many visitors you've sent to Amazon to earn that lovely, chunky, bit-o-heaven paycheck. Many of us just don't have the technical skills to do what you've done. (Which is why I want to learn PHP ASAP!)
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>> Does anyone else smell anti-trust?

No. Simply being big and successful does not create a monopoly or oligopoly.
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