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Old 09-23-2002, 02:13 PM   #1
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Check this out http://www.noadnetwork.com/publisher/ very very interesting, but I dont know if the users are still ready for such a thing!
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Old 09-23-2002, 02:26 PM   #2
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The owner is a member here, so maybe he could answer some of your questions
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Old 09-23-2002, 02:27 PM   #3
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How exactly does it work? i read it a bit and didn't totally understand.
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Old 09-23-2002, 03:11 PM   #4
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AFAIK, it seems to be a remotely hosted subscription service. So you can offer your members the ability to remove ads or access additional content from your site by charging a small fee. In their model, you earn at least $0.30 per subscriber. (ie. you can charge whatever you want above that if you think your users will pay).

I think that their potential earnings calculator could be pretty accurate. I guess if you're not comfortable with setting up a subscription service yourself this might be a nice alternative. Of course, you have to ask yourself whether users will be willing to pay for your content.
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Old 09-23-2002, 03:41 PM   #5
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I do hope this concept works................. I dont think your loyal users might worry about paying you $1 or two for 6 months or so for a ad-free high quality site.

Again I dont expect more than 4-5% of your traffic would convert! Again this is just my opinion!
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Old 09-23-2002, 03:53 PM   #6
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Old 09-23-2002, 04:15 PM   #7
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It seems like an interesting concept, but I'm more than a little unclear about how it works. Hopefully budsinc can shed a little light on this.

Questions:

1. Are users buying access to your site, or a network of sites?
2. What sites are currently using the system?
3. How long as the "network" existed?
4. Please explain the results of the "Potential Earnings Calculator":
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The money you get from referrals first month (Sign-ups X $0.50) = $93.75

The money you get from being apart of the Network (Your Users X $0.90) = $168.75


Note, you can charge more or less money per user if you wish, we used $0.90 as an average.

For a montly (sic) income using NoAdNetwork of $262.5

The Second month with only 75% of the people re-registering (with all the same conditions as above) you would make $721.88

Third month $1181.25
Forth month $1640.62
Fifth month $2100

This is how much you would make each month, so by month 6 you should be making $2559.37 per month.
So, let me get this straight: The publisher receives $0.50 per signup, plus $0.90/month residual as long as they remain a member.

Where it falls apart in my mind is the jump from $262.50 to $721.88 (and subsequent jumps). Even if you sign up another 2.5% the following month, and have a 75% renewal rate, you're only up to ($262.50 + $168.75*0.75) = $389.06.

Fill me in here - I'm confused. What am I missing?
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Old 09-23-2002, 04:44 PM   #8
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I was interested when it was the user paying for access to a network of sites...but now its just pay to access your own site with no ads (something that I can do on my own)

They say they work on the cable TV business model - i dont have cable TV (and im not sure how it works) - so I guess thats "you pay the bill, and get lots of channels"..but now the noads network is just pay for one site, its sort of nothing like that analogy anymore..
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Old 09-23-2002, 05:53 PM   #9
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Wow guys amazing questions, and finally we are here to answer all!

So lets start from the top:

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Check this out http://www.noadnetwork.com/publisher/ very very interesting, but I dont know if the users are still ready for such a thing!
Funtoon, I certainly hope they are, if not we are willing to wait it out and see

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The owner is a member here, so maybe he could answer some of your questions
Yes here we are to answer all the questions. Feel free to ask anymore, or PM us, we will check them regularly.

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I think that their potential earnings calculator could be pretty accurate. I guess if you're not comfortable with setting up a subscription service yourself this might be a nice alternative. Of course, you have to ask yourself whether users will be willing to pay for your content.
The earnings calculator should be on point, as we used real statistics which can be found on the web.

It is a great alternative for those who aren't comfortable, but also, even if you are comfortable setting it up on your own, it is a lot easier to charge a extremely small amount, and it saves a lot of time and energy in blocking your content, getting a merchant account, keeping track of users etc...

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Questions:

1. Are users buying access to your site, or a network of sites?
2. What sites are currently using the system?
3. How long as the "network" existed?
4. Please explain the results of the "Potential Earnings Calculator":
1. Users are paying to just access your site.
2. Sign up as a user and you can see. (Unfortunatly not that many yet we just started)
3. Read Question 2
4. The problem you seem to have with the calculator is that assuming a referring user buys points every month, you will get $0.50 from that user every month. Then assuming you charge $0.90 you will receive $1.40 from that user and thus by 6 months down the line you would come to the total you are questioning

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I was interested when it was the user paying for access to a network of sites...but now its just pay to access your own site with no ads (something that I can do on my own)

They say they work on the cable TV business model - i dont have cable TV (and im not sure how it works) - so I guess thats "you pay the bill, and get lots of channels"..but now the noads network is just pay for one site, its sort of nothing like that analogy anymore..
Ahhh the last question
It is changed a little because we felt this way we could sign up many more sites, and users aren't forced to pay for sites they don't like. Also webmasters don't have to share their revenue. As for the cable analogy, you can pick and choose between many different subscription options on cable, just like you can pick and choose the sites you want to spend your points on. If we eventually have 20 sites one user wants to access and those sites equate to 50 points, they can buy 50 points every month and have access to them all.

Well, I'm exhausted, and I hope I answered all your questions, take care and we hope to see you on No Ad Network.
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Old 09-23-2002, 09:38 PM   #10
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Round 2...
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2. Sign up as a user and you can see. (Unfortunatly not that many yet we just started)
3. Read Question 2
These answers are nowhere near acceptable.
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4. The problem you seem to have with the calculator is that assuming a referring user buys points every month, you will get $0.50 from that user every month. Then assuming you charge $0.90 you will receive $1.40 from that user and thus by 6 months down the line you would come to the total you are questioning
This still doesn't make sense. Even if you get $1.40 from each user per month, with a 75% renewal rate, and a fresh 2.5% every month (I won't even bother with that assumption...), you're only at ($262.50 + $262.50*0.75) = $459.375 in month 2, not $721.88.

If my math is wrong, please show me where.

Also, please explain how the "points" system works - are the users buying point-based access to your site (ie., a point a page, a point a day, whatever) or a monthly subscription? How are you combining points between sites? If you're just equating points to dollars and cents, why use them at all? Are you trying to confuse users (and publishers)?
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Old 09-24-2002, 08:06 AM   #11
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Not sure why those answers would be unacceptable. I'm not going to sit here and list all the sites that have joined, are in the process of joining, etc... And as I stated we just started, how is that unacceptable. If I say we just started it means we just opened. Anyway, BUDS Inc. (the company who owns No Ad Network) has been doing business on the web for 3 years and this venture was just started this month.

As for the calculator I see what your sayin, and I'll have to look into that. It seems like there might be something a bit off. I'll look into it and let you know, at least we didn't say if your 10 tier referral each signs up 3 users you will make a million
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Old 09-24-2002, 11:46 AM   #12
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The biggest problem I have with this is how you're supposed to implement it.

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All you need to do is copy your site over into a sub directory under your domain (i.e., http://www.yourdomain.com/noads/), remove the ads off all your pages, and add whatever extra content you are offering (i.e., e-products, faster download links, extra content, etc...).
Not likely. My site happens to be dynamically generated and so this doesn't really work but even if you have a relatively small site with all static content who is going to be willing to keep and maintain two copies of the content.

It's an interesting concept. The biggest advantage I can see with this vs rolling your own is that they take care of the transaction costs. If you want to charge your user $1 a month you'd probably get something like $.40 to keep after the charges for accepting the transaction. The big idea seems to be that if they get enough sites people will buy a lot of points at a time and therefor lower the transaction costs.

As best as I can tell points are worth $.10 to the publisher and cost the user anywhere from $.20 to $.125. In addition to covering the transaction costs the points system allows the noadsnetwork to make a margin.

Oh, BTW, it wasn't immediately clear to me from budsinc's answer, but you can "register" for free and see the list of sites using the network. You pay to get points to use to view the sites.
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Old 09-24-2002, 11:49 AM   #13
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If I count correctly there are currently 5 sites in the network
2 gammers
2 celebs
1 education/esl
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Can somebody point me to ONE site using the system without me having to go through the signup process?
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Old 09-24-2002, 12:23 PM   #15
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Not likely. My site happens to be dynamically generated and so this doesn't really work but even if you have a relatively small site with all static content who is going to be willing to keep and maintain two copies of the content.
It really wouldn't be that big a deal. For example if you have static pages all you would have to do is copy them to a sub directory and remove the ads. It would just be like adding a new ad broker. As for dynamic content, that should be even easier. We run dynamic sites and they are easy to replicate under sub-directories and remove ads. Also, people don't necessarily have to use the system this way. It's up to you, people can offer their own software downloads, recipes, e-books whatever.

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As best as I can tell points are worth $.10 to the publisher and cost the user anywhere from $.20 to $.125. In addition to covering the transaction costs the points system allows the noadsnetwork to make a margin.
It's not just to cover the transactions with the point system, we aren't trying to trick the webmasters, obviously we want to make a cut for our hard work and effort. The points system is like casinos giving chips, it is more fun to spend points, rather then spending actual money. When you have 20 points spending 5 seems like a lot but $0.50 seems like nothing. So a user might think why would I spend $0.50 and think it must not be worth it.

As for sites listed, we have more that are signing up everyday and hopefully will be listed as soon as they finish setting up their accounts.
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