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JJJay
11-14-2000, 08:04 AM
Hi All, What are your views on the two search affilate programs Searchtraffic.com and Searchbucks.com, in a head to head who'd come out on top. I've signed up with both companies and was wondering which comapny do you guys think is the best to date.

I've been with Searchtraffic since August 2000, They recently increased the pay rate from 5 to 6 cents a search. I know they pay on time every month but the fact that they don't offer payment via wire transfer or pay pal is a big minus in my books as I'm an international affiliate.

I joined up with Searchbucks yesterday. They pay 10 cents a search for the first 1000 searches which is great and 6 cents for each search after, I'm actually getting more than 6 cents after changing a keyword and the fact I have a high traffic site. Searchbucks offer regular payments, every 2 weeks, and the option of receiving payment via wire transfer and pay pal which is excellent. I have yet to receive payment since I only signed up yesterday but so far they look promising.

Right now I think Searchbucks.com has the edge over Searchtraffic.com but things always change, watch this space.

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[This message has been edited by JJJay (edited 11-14-2000).]

havaloc
11-14-2000, 08:48 AM
Searchbucks doesn't offer an affilate program, that's a minus in my book.

However, Searchbucks do answer emails faster (searchtraffic doesn't answer email a lot of the time).

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tenchi
11-14-2000, 09:13 AM
Admin review. Some parts of this post clearly and absolutely violate our Rules and Posting Guide. Please carefully read these entire documents. Links are available at the top and bottom of every page on the BB.

Please consider this the first and last warning you will recieve. I hope I can count on your cooperation and support. Steve_S


Searchbucks is the blatant copy. A major turn off. Searchtraffic has been operational for quite a while now, and I know from personal experience they send checks on time. With Searchbucks this is just a promise... Searchtraffic will increase the payout to 6 cents if you ask anyway, so the payouts will be exactly the same... Hmmm, 6 actual cents that I know for sure I will get a search from a respectable company, or 6 cents on the status page of a company that I've never heard of... Decisions, decisions...

IMO, any company who tries to copy the program of another so blatantly, right down to the eerily similar layout and exactly the same software, loses any credibility and respect-- Even if they pay on time, or pay more... But that's just me.

[This message has been edited by Steve_S (edited 11-14-2000).]

JP Sauve
11-14-2000, 09:42 AM
I've dealt with Searchbucks's parent company on other programs and they've
always paid on time. I wouldn't worry about not getting paid.


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Searchbucks
11-14-2000, 09:46 AM
tenchi,

As I've mentioned in previous posts, we don't expect you to trust us from day one. We will earn the trust of our affiliates over time.

With regards to your other comments. We simply took a good idea and improved upon it with our own bells and whistles. This is done in the business world every day and overall, it's good for everyone involved. Competition will always create higher payouts, faster payouts and better service for affiliates. Not such a bad thing http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif

And yes, we do use the same software vendor as searchtraffic does. Again, this is a very common practice in business and on the Internet. I don't see how it's any different than this BB we are using to communicate on. Many other sites use the same exact BB software. Why? Because it makes good business sense. No reason to build something from scratch that is already available in the market.

BTW - Anyone who joins our program will quickly realize that we have not copied anything, but actually added value to a great concept.

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sterlingbeck
11-14-2000, 10:01 AM
tenchi-I believe that your post is rather aggressive, and may well be in violation og GeekVillage's TOS. I have tried Searchbucks and have found them to be a good search advertiser that pays a very nice CPM. I have no complaints, and can easily see a difference between their program and others. I have not been paid yet, but will be sure to post a scan as soon as I do. In my opinion they run an excellent program, from what I've seen.

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tenchi
11-14-2000, 10:40 AM
Okay, so maybe that was a bit harsh... Sorry if I accused you of copying or stealing anything, but you honestly can't say either that the idea for your program was unique, or is a huge improvement over Searchtraffic... I mean, until SearchBucks comes out with some amazing new features that improve on SearchTraffic's ideas, and make it truly unique, I personally will stay with Searchtraffic. Right now, your program is basically the same as Searchtraffic, in my opinion.

[This message has been edited by tenchi (edited 11-14-2000).]

india
11-14-2000, 03:24 PM
Well shouldn't the people using SearchTraffic be grateful to SearchBucks, but its b/c of them ST increased their payout to .06c

JJJay
11-14-2000, 03:24 PM
The arrival of searchbucks.com can only be good news for webmasters. Searchbucks.com competitor pay rates have already increased by 1 cent per search to 6 cents. All searchbucks.com needs now is the stamp of approval from soon to be payed webmasters. Competition is good news for webmasters, believe me.

consent
11-14-2000, 06:27 PM
The greatest perk may be the fact that you can use BOTH on your site. Since each pays per unique visitor every 12 hours, if the same visitor makes two searches on your site (one search using ST and the other search using SB), this could mean a big overall increase in your search earnings. (Since each program would pay you for that one particular visitor.)

VW
11-14-2000, 08:55 PM
to Searchbucks
I noticed the affiliate script. May I ask which company sells it? I have an affiliate program and in need of good script.
You can eamil me if you do not wish to post it on the net. admin@neuads.com

spencerh
11-14-2000, 11:12 PM
I am using searchbucks right now and I love it! and I am not even sucking up to the admin! (But if they want to pay me extra I will **** up)

I think I have made about five bucks in under a week with SB so things are looking good for the beginning webmaster (started about 6 months ago)

Iraqi1
11-14-2000, 11:24 PM
I havent tried searchbucks but i do use searchtraffic.. Searchtraffic and searchbucks are *10* times better then adsearches!

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gallery
11-15-2000, 12:55 PM
I'm using searchbucks now. So far so good.

What I like is they answer my mails very fast. And this is very important to me.

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dmb1
11-15-2000, 02:44 PM
I'd like to give a big hand of applause to searchbucks for their program.

I have a policy where all Banner Ads and/or searches must use target=_blank. Neither adsearches or searchtraffic allow the search results to appear in a new, full-screen, browser window. Searchbucks, on the other hand, says right in their terms "SEARCHBUCKS results must always be opened in a new browser (target="_blank")."

Hurray for searchbucks! At last, a search company who provides a service without cannibalizing their affiliates traffic!

[This message has been edited by dmb1 (edited 11-15-2000).]

zizap
11-15-2000, 04:15 PM
allow me to voice my searchbucks opinion....

First off,

Their representative is GREAT! He's had an ongoing (15 email) conversation with me... in 2 days... Name one advertising company REP that has emailed you 8 times in 2 days... VERY RESPONSIVE... ( i think he lives on the internet)...

Secondly, Ive already earned $"x36.00" in the past 4 days, so Ill be able to validate that they pay... (I think they pay tonight or something).

And the fact that they use PayPal is wonderful!

Also, the biggest problem that Ive had with SI (standerd internet, also searchtraffic.) is that they don't notify you if your doing something against their terms. And believe me, its pretty easy to be against ST's terms... (so many.. pages and pages.)

GOOD-LUCK with SearchBucks.

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SearchTraffic
11-15-2000, 04:45 PM
zipzap,

While I generally don't respond to anonymous posters ( and there are suddenly a lot of new ones here lately )I'll make an exception for you.

1) Your information is completely incorrect. SearchTraffic absolutely notifies all affiliates of any errors or mistakes. SearchTraffic does NOT notify affiliates who deliberately attempt to defraud the program.

2) SI studied using PayPal at length. We estimated that we would save about $4300.00/month in postage and check writing fees.
We decided not to use PalPal for many reasons:
-PalPay has zero customer support

-PayPal does not authenticate email addresses. If there is a typo in your email (and MANY affiliates join with typos) PayPal will open an account with the incorrect email and your money will sit in the unknown account. It is extrememly difficult to straighten this out. PayPal is almost comletely unresponsive other than auto response emails to solving this problem.

-PayPal is HIGHLY succeptible to fraud. There are numerous websites and IRC chat rooms where they discuss nothing other than how to steal money from PayPal accounts. (For instance....many shady characters start or hack into toplists and then use a script to methodically try every email/password combination in PayPal. As soon as they find one its a simple matter to transfer the money. Getting the money back is next to impossible.

SI has 27,000 affiliates. Our #1 concern is accurate and timely payments to our affiliates. If an affiliate tells us a check has not been recieved it is a quick and simple manner to verify with the bank that the check has not been cashed, stop payment on the missing check, and FedEx a replacement. We can get our affiliates replacement checks to them by 10:30 am the next day and we pay for shipping even if its the affiliates fault (wrong address etc..)
We are also setting up with our bank to begin wiing payments.

We are negotiating a substantial discount and I personally an MUCH more comfortable wiring money thru a federally regulated bank than using a 3rd party payment solution that has serious growing pains. If and when PayPal changes its security measures and increases its level of customer support we will re-evaluate them.

I personally would love to add $4300.00 to SI's bottom line every month. But I don't feel the risk to our affiliates hard earned money is worth it.

If you have 100 affiliates it's easy to say that you'll reimburse any affiliates for fraud or loss thru PayPal. Unfortunately thats not practical with 27,000 affiliates.

[This message has been edited by SearchTraffic (edited 11-15-2000).]

spencerh
11-15-2000, 04:58 PM
Well, it all boils down to....

Ah ***** it!

Viva SearchBucks!!!

Viva Bush!

Viva BitBig.com!

spencerh
11-15-2000, 05:00 PM
SearchTraffic, you seem jealous at SearchBucks. I mean they do pay w/ PayPal and a LOT of peole seem to like it. You shouldnt have ratted on them like that. They are a good company with a great deal....10 cents per search for the first 1000 searches! Thats 100 bucks right there!

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SearchTraffic
11-15-2000, 05:16 PM
Spencer,

SearchBucks is run by a long time friend who has other companies that I have personally invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in.

It would be an understatement to say I'm upset that one of his companies is now specifically targetting one of my companies (its a big internet.........)

I have all the respect in the world for Ken, Bruce, James and the rest of their team. They are intelligent, resourceful businessmen who's opinions I have sought out in the past.

But I'm certainly not going to sit idly by while they try to take bread off of my table.

While it may seem that there is a confrontation going on between the companies there is not. Out of 10,700 SearchTraffic affiliates exactly 55 have requested a rate change to .06. In the past month SearchTraffic's search volume has increased by about 24,000 daily searches.

Now to the original reason for your post: IMHO PayPal is not yet a legitimate way to pay a large number of affiliates. If you are comfortable with them then I wish you all the best and certainly do not wish you any problems.

[This message has been edited by SearchTraffic (edited 11-15-2000).]

Searchbucks
11-15-2000, 05:23 PM
SearchTraffic makes some good points about PayPal that should be taken into consideration.

However we feel that there are many people who already use PayPal and are comfortable with it as a payment option. In fact, many prefer it over conventional payment methods as it is very cost effective and easy to use.

Of coarse, for those that prefer checks or wire transfers, we offer those options as well http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif

Our goal is to provide as many options as possible and let our affiliates decide what is best for them.

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singloon
11-15-2000, 05:36 PM
regarding paypal - the international paypal members have a very strict email verification system not sure if it's the same for US paypal members ?

as an Australian i welcome any method that reduces that hefty AUD$10 bank charge per cheque http://geekvillage.com/ubb/frown.gif

of course wire transfer would be nice as well http://geekvillage.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

i can certainly understand searchtaffic's disappointment about their custom programming being sold to someone else... I am seeking out someone to do custom programming for a site idea i have that no one has done before... and if that script was sold to someone else i would be mad as well http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Searchbucks
11-15-2000, 08:24 PM
The guys at Searchtraffic know that we also have a great deal of respect for them and wish them nothing but the best.

However, there are two sides to every story and this one is no different. I don't plan on going into details as I don't think this is the right forum for it, nor do I think anyone really cares http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif

Overall, we believe that there is plenty of room in this market for everyone and we plan on competing in a friendly manner with our friends over at Searchtraffic.

BTW - We appreciate all of the support we've received and will continue to do our best to make our affiliates happy. Thanks everyone!

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Iraqi1
11-15-2000, 08:33 PM
Good boys make up http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

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JakeJeck
11-15-2000, 11:07 PM
I don't think it's a matter of WHICH PROGRAM IS BETTER. It's a matter of "How do I maximize my revenue from BOTH of these companies" http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

consent
11-15-2000, 11:27 PM
Good point, JakeJeck.

Searchbucks
11-16-2000, 09:02 AM
JakeJeck,

I agree 100%. There is never one sponsor who can fill all of your needs. Smart affiliates create a "portfolio" of good, reliable sponsors and leverage their various services to maximize overall revenue.



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musicinsight
11-16-2000, 09:38 AM
Searchtraffic said "It would be an understatement to say I'm upset that one of his companies is now specifically targetting one of my companies (its a big internet.........)"

If you're making good money in a market (and I remember someone from your company claiming to have bigger revenues and profits than ValueClick, when they were taken over), then you have to expect that others will come in and chase after that opportunity.

If you are smart enough and hard working enough to have attained your present position, then I'm sure your company will find a way to excel despite your newfound competition.

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TheWebHead
11-16-2000, 09:53 AM
Yep, the more the merrier. Hopefully the domains Searchmoney.com and Searchcents.com will find owners who want to exploit this same profitable web business. It goes to show people in the adult content area of web commerce (JCMS, Sapphire, and RTP) are the most adept at creating profitable businesses...

JJJay
11-16-2000, 04:48 PM
I was in contact with Searchbucks.com tonight and I am now awaiting my first payment via wire transfer. I should be receiving and am expecting this payment shortly so watch this space for breaking news. Has anybody received payment from Searchbucks.com yet? I think that once people start getting paid that trust will grow.

havaloc
11-16-2000, 06:21 PM
Actually there were 56 that have requested it. I emailed them on November 9th about the pay raise and some other things and they didn't get back to me, which would not be the first time they haven't answered emails.

Originally posted by SearchTraffic:
Out of 10,700 SearchTraffic affiliates exactly 55 have requested a rate change to .06. In the past month SearchTraffic's search volume has increased by about 24,000 daily searches.




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Meowser
11-16-2000, 08:51 PM
You sure you mailed them the right user name and password?

I also had written to them on the day it was announced and didn't receive a response or see the increase. When I went back and checked the email that I sent to them I had given them the wrong information - the downfall of being part of 2 many affiliate programs!!

So when I realized what I did I wrote to them again with the correct information and within 30 minutes or so my account reflected the increase.



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SearchTraffic
11-17-2000, 07:42 AM
havaloc,

If you check your account you'll see it's been raised to .06.

Please refrain from making posts saying we don't answer email. I personally checked the logs and nothing was received to either admin@standardinternet.com or admin@searchtraffic.com regarding your account or coming from your email address.

In the last 72 hours the admin@searchtraffic.com address sent out 360 support replies. I'm sorry if your was somehow misdirected. Feel free to resend.

OC
11-17-2000, 10:16 AM
Disclaimer: I am not using a search sponsor and am in no way affiliated with (or leaning towards) any companies mentioned. I have not received any pay checks with either company.


Competition is good for the webmaster. I never ever want to degrade new competition unless I smell something wrong (which I do not with SearchBucks, they have proven themselves well on these forums).

Does anyone remember when NetSol's $70 domain name stronghold was broken? Register stepped in at $60, and now most of us buy domain names for well under $20 per year. That's competition working for the consumer.

Now competition has made SearchTraffic raise its payout to those who request it. Where do you think that extra cent was going until competition came along? Out of the consumers pocket.

In all fairness, yes I too would fight for my market twice as hard if competition arose and threatened my income. Yes I too would be upset and/or feel betrayed if a friend of mine went for my market share and cost me a pretty penny. I would also try my best to control myself (like SI has done) and remember business is business.

I hope this post was not biased to anyone,
OC

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Viva competencia! (Is that spanish correct?)

[This message has been edited by OC (edited 11-17-2000).]

Searchbucks
11-17-2000, 10:55 AM
OC,

I think your comments are well put and make a lot of sense all the way around. Certainly no offense taken in this camp http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif

Just for the record - there is a lot more to the "betrayal" issue than it might seem on the surface. Most of the comments relating to this issue are simply false. We are not intentionally targeting anyone and we did not steal or copy the software that we use. It was purchased from a software vendor, just like many other applications are. In fact, the software that we use is available to anyone who wants to pay for it.

I don't think this is the place to discuss the details of this issue, but I also don't want people to think that we have no loyalty to our friends or have a lack of ethics. I think affiliates will see that we operate with the highest ethics possible and will be here for the long term.

Thanks again to everyone who has supported Searchbucks.com!

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havaloc
11-17-2000, 12:05 PM
I sent the inquiry again to admin@searchtraffic.com, (note I deleted the line asking for the pay raise because I received it).

Thank you.

Originally posted by SearchTraffic:
havaloc,

If you check your account you'll see it's been raised to .06.

Please refrain from making posts saying we don't answer email. I personally checked the logs and nothing was received to either admin@standardinternet.com or admin@searchtraffic.com regarding your account or coming from your email address.

In the last 72 hours the admin@searchtraffic.com address sent out 360 support replies. I'm sorry if your was somehow misdirected. Feel free to resend.



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Searchbucks
11-17-2000, 12:18 PM
SearchTraffic,

Agreed, enough has been said about this subject. Now back to business.....

Stay tuned for some new marketing tools for Searchbucks Affiliates!

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SearchTraffic
11-17-2000, 12:40 PM
Agreed,

New ideas coming from SearchTraffic as well.


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Steve_S
11-17-2000, 02:03 PM
Thanks everyone for your support and contributions to this thread.

Out of respect and admiration for all our Merchant/Vendors who took their valuable time to contribute, I am locking this thread.

Concerened parties should only use the BB Feedback Form if you are so inclined.



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SearchTraffic
11-17-2000, 11:57 PM
Nothing was said or meant to imply about "stealing" or in any way obtaining the software in any type of "shady" manner whatsoever.

The basic software itself is available for sale. The copy that was sold however included dozens and dozens of modifications that were made by SearchTraffic during 8 months of work.

Those modifications make the program a search affiliate program, reduce fraud, and provided more efficient reporting.

SearchTraffic invested countless hours and countless dollars in these improvements and they were sold without our knowledge.

We were foolish not to legally bind the developer and keep him from taking advantage of us by selling our version of the software. The blame lies completely on the shoulders of Standard Internet and no one else.

This is the last post about this topic from SI.

SearchTraffic was the first independent search affiliate program on the net, the first search program to offer live stats, the first search program to offer monthly payouts, the first search program with a webmaster forum,and the first search program that actually answers its phones and emails. We continually listen to our affiliates and our now adding 2 additional features that affiliates are requesting (wire transfers and live chat with admins)

It is now, and will remain in the future, the search program that other programs compare themselves to and try to "one up."

This topic is getting too heated and I'm going to take a step back and not post for a few days. I'd appreciate it if the usual SI bashers (webhead, spencer, sterling, etc...)and anonymous posters would give me a few days to refute whatever is next on the agenda.

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