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vrg
11-26-2002, 02:16 AM
what makes Gator a scumware? what do they do?

MattC
11-26-2002, 02:19 AM
They can replace ads on your (or anyone elses) page with their own. That is why they got sued by the news media websites.. I don't remember who won that suit, anyone?

Matt

vrg
11-26-2002, 08:42 AM
is a software "poping" websites with popunders, a scumware?

maddeningcrowds
11-26-2002, 10:11 AM
yes... beacuase these programs steal revenue opportunities which belong to the webmaster.

vrg
11-26-2002, 10:43 AM
i would agree that if the software change affiliate codes and links in the website.

On the otherside i would not say poping related websites which does not disturb the user. The user has downloaded the software to receive recommended and related websites.

maddeningcrowds
11-26-2002, 11:40 AM
But in the example you give the extra popup has three problems which many webmasters find unacceptable:

(1) Popups appear on sites which have chosen NOT to have any popups because they don't wish to annoy/disturb the user

(2) Sites which use popups for advertising revenue have their advertiser's message 'diluted' because there are now extra popups. This decrements the quality of the media for the advertiser which in the long run means worse results, which means less revenue for allready struggling webmasters.

(3) Webmasters loose control over what might be shown on their website - the famous example being an advert for slimming pills which was popped over the weightwatchers site. Weightwatchers were rightly very upset as they never advertise or promote slimming pills on health grounds. Webmasters have the right to choose NOT to allow adult, health, gambling or any other type of content to be associated with their website as they see fit.

At the end of the day webmasters put the effort into their sites, and deserve the right to (a) decide what adverts appear and (b) to recieve the revenue for those adverts. Companies like gator do not contribute in any way to the cost and effort of maintining the websites which they seek to profit from.

As regards users choosing to install gator etc, this is a half-truth at best - the programs are normally included as extras in other downloads and most users are not aware of their operation or consequences.

vrg
11-26-2002, 12:57 PM
so you say if you knew when downloaded Gator that they do what they do, it would not have been scumware?

MattC
11-26-2002, 12:59 PM
Gator is hyped as a password storing utiltity.. its other "features" are burried deep within the EULA, most people don't know that it does what it does.

Matt

vrg
11-26-2002, 01:19 PM
but what if you knew everything?

vrg
01-14-2003, 03:48 AM
Scenario:

- Poping target advertisements
- have written in their Privacy that they in order to survive financially shows some targeted ads
- it does not auto install itself.

It this a scumware?

Czar
01-14-2003, 08:38 AM
Perhaps. In that case, it would depend on just how the software is distributed, whether the privacy policy clearly states what data is collected by the software, whether the software steals affiliate commissions from others, and how the ads are 'targeted.'

Any software that allows advertisers to obscure the advertising or editorial content of a competing site with a message or link of their own would be considered scumware by existing definitions, but the line may be blurred somewhat if the advertising content is delivered in the form of popunders that are not targeted by site.

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