View Full Version : FIGHT SCUM: Other Boards and script fixes

08-16-2001, 01:02 PM

This is the thread to post the URL of other Mainstream (no Adult links please) Webmaster Centric Communitites where this issue is under discussion. Please insure that the Community is appropriate and does not contain profanity, Adult material, and other talk which our members would find objectionable.

This is also the thread to post the URL of script fixes and other emerging technology which defeates TopText and other similar types of technologies.

I encourage you to participate in these other Communities. Big ones or small ones. It doesn't matter. Just do it!

Jim's Get High Forum thread at:


Matt/Waynes Sitepoint Forums thread at:


08-16-2001, 02:21 PM

These are all that I could find...

08-16-2001, 10:09 PM
I just set up a mirror for Mephisto's uninstall program at

Thread going at http://www.ahfb2000.com/webmaster_help_desk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=301

Setting up a decent system for recip links could benefit us by pushing ezula down the list for thier own name as a search word. I will monitor this page and ad all links to my page and hope you will do the same.

Dave Bailey

08-16-2001, 10:49 PM
I justed posted the following page to my personal site: http://www.suniltanna.com/ezula.html

There's a DMOZ category on this exact topic:

It's not Revenews:

Various discussions at

08-17-2001, 08:35 AM
Here is a block for the ezula.com scum are.


Bob Massa of SearchKing was kind enough to provide this for us.

08-17-2001, 05:18 PM

To show the community that we at geek talk mean business, we need to create a standard "Fightback eZula" page(s) in several main languages; English, French, Spanish and German. It should be short one. We need volunteers and contributors to:

- Coordinate the effort (2-3 geeks)

- Translate the page to the said languages

- Host the page(s)

- Create banners and suggest text-links

All this to be done in a speedy way.

I suggest Sunil to lead the effort.

What do you think?

All the best,


08-17-2001, 05:43 PM

Thats a great thought :) and thanks. Seems to me we should think big picture with respect to the current scum players in this space as well as others who will (not if) surely follow.

Give me a few hours and I will hook up each of these domains to an IP on my dedicated box. Propagation will take a few days.


Then, if the gang wants to use these sites it would be my pleasure. No charge :) We can all think about the details of this and if we need to, we can create another thread. Details to follow but I thought it necessary to let the gang know that hosting these issues is not a problem.

08-17-2001, 06:01 PM

Thanks. Very generous and kind of you. Much appreciated.

And Folks!

Now we have the domains in place, we need the volunteer-geeks to take care of the rest..

All the best,


08-17-2001, 06:37 PM
Oh, and if you check the about screen in the uninstall program, you'll see Mephisto = Gethosted, so if anyone has any questions you can ask me here too :).

08-17-2001, 07:28 PM
Although I am not a HUGE fan of phpnuke, I think maybe for a site of this nature it may be the way to go. If only there was an integration to VBulletin it would make it even better. If Steve has phpmyadmin I could set it up in a short time.

Steve I will keep the browser open if you would like to discuss this on pm.


08-17-2001, 07:59 PM
There are some additional script fixes here:

I have posted a link to Brian Clark's article about CJ's involvement in associateprograms.com's message board related to CJ, http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/messages/87/1670.html?998074991

There is some discussion on this topic at ablake's message board, and Internet Marketing Warriors

I would appreciate if somebody could research what registry changes (regedit) are necessary to disable TopText.

Harry, thanx for the nomination but I don't think I'm in a position to lead this. But I'll do what I can to help, and have a few ideas up my sleeve.

08-17-2001, 08:02 PM
Here is the code or reference to where the code is to defeat this hijacker named Ezula and KazAa. Can we please get this tested.

Thank you Curt Dunmire for this JS fix:


Thank you Dan at http://www.searchking.com/ezulakiller/

The post and code at http://forums.searchking.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=42&t=000004

This version is a Java servlet, if anyone decides to convert this code to perl php or any of the other popular scripting languages we'd appreciate posting it publicly here. Use and modification is royalty free and we do not impose any royalties, however we do appreciate recognition if you base your code off ours. (In the form of a link to either http://www.searchking.com or http://www.searchking.com/ezulakiller ).
File: ezulafix.java
Just alternates between sending a javascript reload command and sending back an empty file (to prevent infinite reloading of a page).

import javax.servlet.http.*;
import javax.servlet.*;
import java.io.*;
import java.util.*;

public class ezulafix extends HttpServlet
Vector recentlist = new Vector();
static int count = 0;
public boolean checkfilters(String ip)
boolean redirect = true;
synchronized (recentlist)
for (int i = 0; i < recentlist.size(); i++)
StringLong sl = (StringLong)recentlist.elementAt(i);
if (sl.s.equals(ip))
redirect = false;
if (sl.l + 60000 < System.currentTimeMillis())
//Keep ip from being stored if for some reason a users browser doesn't reload the page.

if (redirect)
StringLong sl = new StringLong();
sl.s = ip;
sl.l = System.currentTimeMillis();

protected final static String getDateString5() {
Calendar c = Calendar.getInstance();
String Day = "";
String Month = "";
// c.add(Calendar.HOUR,
switch (c.get(Calendar.MONTH)) {
case 0: Month = "Jan";break;
case 1: Month = "Feb";break;
case 2: Month = "Mar";break;
case 3: Month = "Apr";break;
case 4: Month = "May";break;
case 5: Month = "Jun";break;
case 6: Month = "Jul";break;
case 7: Month = "Aug";break;
case 8: Month = "Sep";break;
case 9: Month = "Oct";break;
case 10: Month = "Nov";break;
case 11: Month = "Dec";break;
switch (c.get(Calendar.DAY_OF_WEEK)) {
case 1: Day = "Sun";break;
case 2: Day = "Mon";break;
case 3: Day = "Tue";break;
case 4: Day = "Wed";break;
case 5: Day = "Thu";break;
case 6: Day = "Fri";break;
case 7: Day = "Sat";break;
return(Day+", "+c.get(Calendar.DAY_OF_MONTH)+" "+Month+" "+c.get(Calendar.YEAR)+" "+c.get(Calendar.HOUR_OF_DAY)+":"+c.get(Calendar.MINUTE)+":"+c.get(Calendar.SECOND)+" GMT");

public void doGet(HttpServletRequest req,HttpServletResponse resp) throws ServletException, IOException
if (req.getParameter("at") != null)
resp.setHeader("Pragma", "no-cache");
String sending = "Count = "+count;
PrintWriter out = resp.getWriter();
** else
String adcode = "";
if (checkfilters(req.getRemoteAddr()))
/* adcode = "document.write('<object CLASSID=\"clsid:3D7247E8-5DB8-11D4-8A72-0050DA2EE1BE\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\">\\n"+
"<img id=\"imgEzulaNA\" src=\"\" width=\"1\" height=\"1\" /></object>\\n"+
"<scri'+'pt type=\"text/javasc'+'ript\">\\n"+
"if (!document.getElementById(\"imgEzulaNA\")) {\\n"+
"window.location.reload()\\;\\n **\\n"+
adcode = "window.location.reload();";
resp.setHeader("Pragma", "no-cache");
String sending = adcode;
PrintWriter out = resp.getWriter();

File: StringLong.java
Just a wrapper class to simplify storing a timestamp and string in the vector.
public class StringLong
String s = null;
long l = 0;


SearchKing, Inc.

----end code ---

08-18-2001, 04:07 AM
Hi Sunil

"Harry, thanx for the nomination but I don't think I'm in a position to lead this. But I'll do what I can to help, and have a few ideas up my sleeve."

Thanks, Sunil. You and other good decent people are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.

IMHO, this momentum needs to be organized and united as soon as possible while we have the attention of the public.

Steve graciously donated domains to such effort, and we need now volunteers to lead and shape the effort as a movement.

Its my firm belief that we are only witnessing the start of vicious attacks in the form of smart-tags, scumware and many other attempts yet to come in this direction.

Without a joint PERMANENT effort, it will be rather difficult to get people involved and organized every time such vicious attempts arise.

Forums and lists are powerful for sure. But we also know that threads come, stay for a while, but then might lose momentum and attention with time, unfortunately. But an effort will always be there ready to fightback!

After reading your reply, I have suggested Dave to lead this effort, and there will be many decent people ready to support this effort through groups and community.

Time is very crucial factor and such effort should emerge while the momentum and public attention is there.

All the best,


08-18-2001, 09:21 AM
I am also in agreement in regards to organizing and working together. We are all doing a great job individually, but the collective effort would be much more efficient if the left hand and the right hand were working together.

With this in mind, and at the request of Harith Al-Jibury from the affiliates union, I have sent an email to Jim of Gethighforums and Steve of Geekvillage, in an effort to "Unite For The Fight". I understand both have thier own sites in the works to help in squashing any future companies that come along, that is a step in the right direction. However, we have a specific fight today, and with the weekend here we will be somewhat limited with our efforts. It is my fear that the ship will lose some of its steam. I have suggested that Steve, Jim and myself sit down and figure out a UNITED gameplan for monday morning, selecting groups of vols. to handle different aspects.

I have faith that everybody can realize the impact that we could have as 1 army instead of several smaller armies, and as with any great fighting machine, it must be better organized.

It was late when I sent my email to Steve and Jim, and speaking for myself, I hit the brickwall lastnight and had to sleep, I am sure they are doing the same. Once I get an affirmative response from both Steve and Jim, we will put our heads together and figure out what is next.

As mentioned earlier, HaHa and I have put our heads together and are working the fight locally in San Antonio in addition to what we are doing here. We have 2 radio shows lined up, with a possibility of 4 more radio shows newspaper and 2 television stations. My media contact is also putting together a list of cable contacts as well as major network contacts for us. He will also be helping us to find a qualified copyright attorney.

I will keep all updated on the efforts to "Unite For The Fight"


08-18-2001, 12:55 PM
Harith, thank you for the clarification on AffilateUnion's process

Incidentally, item 1(a) in your check list may already cover this

a) require an affiliate to post any logos, graphics, or hyperlinks to their website that are not a direct part of the commissionable relationship

I would imagine the intent of this rule is to avoid extraction of traffic from affiliate's web site without compensation to said affiliate and/or without affiliate's knowledge.

An affiliate provider/network or merchant, who advertised on, facilitated, participated, or profited from software/services which add links to web sites' content with the site owner's consent, such as TopText would presumably not be in compliance with the intent of this rule. Please raise this issue with AffiliateUnion.

This is slightly off-topic, but there are merchants (and presumably affiliates) who agree with the broad aims of AffiliateUnion (i.e. fair and ethical business practises), but don't necessarily buy in to the concept of a third (or fourth in the case of networked programs) outside party having input into what they see as their private business relationships. These merchants/affiliates are NOT the enemy, many are potential allies on the TopText-issue.

I will think carefully on my personal position regarding AffiliateUnion.

08-18-2001, 07:30 PM
There is a thread starting up at FreeWebSpace.Net about new technologies and it's possible usage as spyware and intrusive software... could turn out to be interesting.


(I'm checked with Steve_S over weither I am able to post this, as I also moderate this forum.)

08-19-2001, 03:26 AM
gang, I like the energy :) Can we please stay on topic.

I have split this thread and the AU stuff has a new thread at:

Thanks in advance for your anticipated cooperation.

08-19-2001, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Supermoo
There is a thread starting up at FreeWebSpace.Net about new technologies and it's possible usage as spyware and intrusive software... could turn out to be interesting.


(I'm checked with Steve_S over weither I am able to post this, as I also moderate this forum.) your thread doesn't work here http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9291

08-19-2001, 05:10 AM
Hi Folks

I hope that a joint effort will emerge soon to fightback on the scumware. We need this joint effort to lead!

Tomorrow is Monday and most of us will be busy during daytime with our own business. While people might expect an action plan by a joint effort. I'm keeping talking about this because I wish to see joint action emerge while the momentum is there.

BTW, Dave graciously offered his banners and buttons of the "Yellow Link Virus" to be used to spread the word. Thanks Dave.

You can find them on


But we still need a page to link to.


Would you be kind to allow hosting such page on geek talk, while we are waiting for a joint effort to fightback to emerge? Thanks.


If Steve agree to above, would you be kind to make us a "scumware" page hosted on geek talk to link to.

Once that is ready, then we publish the HTML codings of the link and start promoting it.

And Dave!

Would you be kind to update us. Thanks.

All the best,


08-19-2001, 10:53 AM
Hey gang,

First allow me to clarify, I did not make the banners in the link. They were made by a member of Jims forums and posted for public use. I have simply given them a second place for download, and have reminded those that use them, to not neccesarily link to AHFB but to ANY page that is in the fight. Again, the issue is bigger than any person or website, to have a personal agenda is counter-productive.

HaHa made a fantastic list of steps that need to be taken, I am hoping to get with her again this morning and do a bit of fine tuning. Once this is complete, I will email this list to all that have emailed me.

I myself took yesterday afternoon away from the computer (no...really I did) and had to have some fun time, obviously that meant shuting down the computer in my head to all things scum. This has led to a problem, one that I apologize for being a part of. In many conversations the discussion went to creating a website. I even told 1 person that I will get a domain and webspace donated. SLAP ME, we do not need another website Jim and Steve are each taking care of this. Creating a new website, is not only counter-productive to bringing people together to organize, but that also puts me in a serious breech of trust as I have been asking for help on various forums. I am not a spammer, to use Steve or Jims forums, especially since they are building thier own sites, to find people to build another competing site, would show a complete lack of respect. I was not asked to build a website, I was asked to organize the efforts and bring people together. Building a third website does not bring people together, intead it just creates another faction.

What is needed is an organized effort acting as a "Support Team" for both sites, one that will primarily research the who, what, when and why, and then report these findings to both websites, as well as those affected and those that are in violation. We need people willing to research governmental contacts for various states and countries. One of the most important issues, is screenshots, lots and lots of screenshots, these can be used not only as legal proof, but are very important when notifiying those we want as our allies.

To those that are interested in participating, in the building of a related website, I ask that you contact one of the two community leaders that have already agreed to do this.

We all have great respect for Steve and Jim, otherwise we would not be here. Together they are amongst the best when it comes to "getting the word out". Lets pull together and build a frontline like has never been seen on the internet, and let these two do what they do best, this is the way to win this thing.

I will be setting up a new section on my forum, it will be completely private and only for the members of the frontline as well as Steve and Jim or thier or thier selected representative. This will serve as the "command center" in which we can all see the wins/losses, efforts being made, and tasks that are needing to be handled, This forum section will be unbranded and not recognizable as being a part of my regular forums. It is very important to me that I give no sign of a personal agenda, and I am sure a couple of you would gladly slap me around if I do :)

At this point there have been a few people come forward, but not near the numbers needed to make a quick and sudden impact. If you are able to spend any time at all on this regardless if it is 8 hours a day or 1 hour a week, then you are needed! Please contact us at ahfb99@hotmail.com


Dave Bailey

08-19-2001, 12:06 PM
Hi Dave

Thanks for update.

I thought that it was you who made the banners. Thanks to he/she who created them and made them available.

I suggest that the effort proceed on the site that Steve donated and would be ready within the next week. And of course wish to see you Dave among those who work on the site.

And I have a wish to see the "Support Team" forum you mentioned also hosted here on geek talk or on the new site and you as part of it, of course. IMHO, the less places the effort is divided between the strongest and more effective the effort will be. But of course its up to Steve and you to decide on that.

One can start by creating the Anti-Scumware page I suggested Sunil to create, host it on the site Steve donated, using the banners and button available or text links to link to it. Its a good start.

From my own experience. The most important thing here is to create the joint effort. Once that is done, many good volunteer people will join and support.

Wish you a great day,


08-19-2001, 12:25 PM

I will do what I can, but I need to discuss with Steve. geekvillage his site, so I need to have the private conversation with him first. I am of course prepared to donate content and information.

For example, the page I have on my personal site was thrown together very quickly, for example it uses the pre-existing template and I cut'n'paste'n'modified some of the stuff from my other sites, and things I had made but not used that were sitting on my hard-disk. I have gone back and updated it a couple of times now, but it's still crude. There are now links in that page to various potentially relevant government and NGO consumer advocacy organizations

Please forgive my tiredness, but I've spent most of the last 5 days on this, and do need to address non-ezula issues too. For example ebookcompiler customers, and I have a software package to write a review on, which has been sitting unused on my computer for some time now.

On ezula, I also need to go take action on protecting my own sites which is going to be a massive and time consuming task (which I am not looking forward too). I have not even fully decided what steps to take on this. And this includes not only eZula itself, but whether to continue active involvement in Commission-Junction advertiser + publisher programs, given CJ's apparent support of eZula, as documented at www.revenews.com

There are also additional areas that I would like to devote my time on this to exploring which have not been publically discussed on any forum yet.


Yes we need to coordinate and the steps you are proposing are a step in the right direction. Steve needs to make the decisions on the "official" geekvillage position, and is the only person who could do so.

I think there is also room for some diversity in views. Not everybody sees eZula, Surf+ and Gator for example in the same way. There are differences between each of the programs and how different people/organizations view each one. There are different issues relating to businesses and non-profits and how they feel about each of these. We have to accommodate this, because even though there may be differences on details, most people seem to agree on many of the broad issues.

What I am trying to say, is that it may be hard to get everybody to endorse a single set of arguments or language, even if they agree with the vast majority of them.

For example, personally I am uncomfortable about the terms "virus" or "scumware" and am trying to avoid using them in my own communications, except when placed in double quotes or when describing the name of another site which does use these words. This might sound like minutae, but it is important to some, and in this case to me.

Another example, is that there are some anti-Ezula sites which have good info on them, but I would try not to personally link to those particular ones because they include prominent casino advertising. This is just my personal hang-up.

Some people will differ with me on some/all the above. None of this means anybody has a personal agenda, but simply a case of different opinions and view points

Anyway, what I'm trying to say that this needs to be a broad-church effort, and it may be difficult to get everybody who is opposed to these programs to subscribe to the same arguments or actions or link to the same web site.

There is also the involvement of larger companies. They may not be posting, but rest assured that many are aware of this issue, and looking at what actions they can take.

Finally, I absolutely agree we need screenshots, and need to collect as much information as possible. This is a most pressing and urgent task

08-19-2001, 01:12 PM

Thanks for your thoughts, I wish more people would get involved and voice thier opinions as well, it is after all a community effort.

Let me begin by stating that I am honored to have been nominated(though I was the second option ;) ). If Steve requests this of me it would certainly be an honor I would entertain it. But, for all I know he could have somebody in mind.

To keep the effort moving forward, we can all still offer our research and support, hopefully in a more organized manner and in a manner in which we know there are no bases left untouched.

Regardless of which way it goes I personally do not wish to get tied up in the website aspect. I would much rather maintain the support role, either for Steve or as an independent third party that does the support work in which either website can draw from.

None of us can push either party to get a site up, building a third is counter-productive. If you have any suggestions other than building a support clearinghouse, I would be very much interested in hearing them.



08-19-2001, 02:01 PM

Great post, I must say you covered some very valid points that have not crossed my mind, especially in the area of links.

As I stated above I do not care too much about being a part of the website aspect, I prefer to stick with the "private office" and "frontline" role. While sites are being built there is no reason to put the actual fight on pause. IMO the best thing I can do today is create the "private office" (forum category), and organize it into "departments"(sub-cats)....., so that it is easy for people to come in and see what needs to be done, what has been done and what our results have been. It could be more effective and draw the help of many more people to keep it all here, but until we know the direction our beloved community leader :D we must keep on keepin on....keeping in mind moving offices is not fun :(


08-19-2001, 02:47 PM
Some may have read about the Surf+/Kanoodle connection. This connection has obviously thrown a new and MUCH MORE DANGEROUS threat into the situation, but this could make the fight so much easier.

Let me give a brief rundown. Surf+ is doing the same super-imposing as eZula, although much more complex. Surf+ is partnered with Kanoodle search engine, and gets the results from there. It is impossible to find out who has bought what keywords because the keywords and the links rotate without prejudice to relevence. What makes this so horrific is the fact that many gambling and "Adult" content sites use kanoodle, meaning that a word as simple as "Hello" could link to things that are not fit for those that are OVER 18. Disney is now splattered with an array of adult links.

This could be what is needed to draw IMMEDIATE attention form your legislators as well as the major corporate attorneys. We may be better off instead of spending time with minute details, just getting screenshots of corporate websites, Governmental websites, Children and family websites, throwing them on seperate and blank urls, then starting a massive mailing to these companies whos screenshots are posted.

related thread:http://www.ihelpyouservices.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=415&pagenumber=7 (note this is page & of the topic)


08-19-2001, 03:08 PM
Hi Sunil and Dave

Thanks for rich valuable input. You are a ThinkTank ;)

So lets say that this is about creating GV community's contribution to the effort of fightingback on any kind of attempts to illegally deface websites with advertising or promotion in all shapes.

All the best,


08-19-2001, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by harry

So lets say that this is about creating GV community's contribution ...

With all due respect, please understand we are not in a position to say this.


08-19-2001, 03:33 PM
I have just added links on my personal page to US senate, house, UK MPs, and European Union MEPs. Many of these people have email addresses and/or publish phone fax numbers.

If you are capturing screen shots, be sure to capture some of these and post them in the screenshots forum.

If you feel the need to contact your democratically elected representative, you know what to do. At the house site, there is a form to contact your representative based on your ZIP code.

We already have screenshots of advertising on the FTC site. If you want to contact the FTC:

FTC complaint form: https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup

FTC webmaster details: http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/webmast.htm - includes his email address

I am still hoping somebody could research what registry edits (regedit) are necessary to disable Ezula, and Surf+, and post them somewhere

08-19-2001, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by WildComputer
I am still hoping somebody could research what registry edits (regedit) are necessary to disable Ezula, and Surf+, and post them somewhere i saw site with such info but can't find it again... i'll try and see if i can dig into my IE history file for them..

08-19-2001, 03:37 PM

You are right. I stand corrected.

Allow me to try again:

This is about creating the effort to fightingback on any kind of attempts to illegally deface websites with advertising or promotion in all shapes.

All the best,


08-19-2001, 03:41 PM
doh already had a link to it myself :rolleyes:


You can remove EZula instances from the Registry:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\CLASSES\AppID\{C033519 8-6755-11D4-8A73-0050DA2EE1BE**
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\CLASSES\TypeLib\{3D724 7D1-5DB8-11D4-8A72-0050DA2EE1BE**
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\CLASSES\TypeLib\{C0335 197-6755-11D4-8A73-0050DA2EE1BE**
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Code Store Database\Distribution Units\{3D7247DE-5DB8-11D4-8A72-0050DA2EE1BE**
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/Downloaded Program Files/eZulaBoot.dll

And in HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Cur rentVersion\Explorer\Doc Find Spec MRU you'll find an entry for EZulaboot.

And from your harddisk:

C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files\InstallCtrl.class, which mentions two files it depends on ezulaboot.dll and ezulaboot.inf.

You can use AD-aware to get rid of Toptext, but it will cause problems with your Internet connection and so forth. Best way to go is not to download and install ANY spyware. It's getting more difficult to get rid of them and even to find them. After using AD-aware you can double check the Registry by doing a Find for eZula.

08-19-2001, 04:16 PM
Will somebody please :bash: me. I do not know when this was created
geek/talk > Community > SCUM!!! Screen Captures

but this is the first I have seen of it. Having seen this now, I have to wonder just what in the uh? are we trying to organize? Why make something difficult out of something so easy? I have only looked at 1 thread of screenshots so far, but if it is representative of what the other threads, there really is no longer a war. A simple email campaign to your legislators including those government screen shots along with some good disney shots with description of what words link to what domains would put a quick and sudden death to this.

I would like to note that all screenshots should have the time and date.

I cannot install either program for some reason so I am going to forget everything else and just concentrate on mailing government agencies with the already gathered information.


08-19-2001, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Dave-AHFB
Will somebody please :bash: me. I do not know when this was created
geek/talk > Community > SCUM!!! Screen Captures

yeah join the club i only noticed that forum the other day as well :o

not sure how much more convincing this will make it but video screen captures of cursor movements and illegally tagged/underlined links and where they lead to can be done using snagit http://www.techsmith.com/products/snagit/default.asp

08-19-2001, 06:03 PM
Thanks Singloon

Does anybody know if where I can find similar for Surf+ and Gator?

08-19-2001, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by WildComputer
Thanks Singloon

Does anybody know if where I can find similar for Surf+ and Gator? for gator and surf+ i think ad-aware app is used.. i found surf+ uninstall info here http://www.filemix.net/surfplus/s_faq.htm#13

i put up a page at http://i4net.tv/ezula.php but this was after Steve private messaged me and asked me to get the word out on the forums i frequent :)

08-19-2001, 06:37 PM
Well my thought is this

Maybe we could develop program code that detects and offers the user the option to uninstall or deactivate these programs under Windows.

We can release such code under the GPL (Gnu Public License) or similar scheme,, which would mean
(a) it's source code and can be integrated into any application
(b) potentially an unlimited number of people can contribute to the development
(c) it's open to public scrutiny, so everybody knows exactly what its doing
(d) it's free
(e) translated into other programming languages, etc.

If you ever read other parts of my personal site that are not concerned with ezula, you know that normally a skeptic on open-source (it rarely delivers complete up-to-date applications except in certain specific areas), but I think in this case it could work, because it is of interest to many technical people and the scope could be clearly defined.

Imagine if you will, a thousand or ten thousand commercial, shareware, and freeware programs integrating such code into their programs...

The first step is to identify EXACTLY what would need to happen to (a) detect, and (b) deactivate or remove the program

The second step is to find out what is the most light weight way to do it, so that it does not burden software packages with too much additional data or complexity

Of course if Lavasort or a similar company were willing to contribute their knowledge and/or appropriate source fragments, this would be much easier.

08-19-2001, 06:47 PM
could this be open to abuse if this app was distributed from several sources/sites ?

08-19-2001, 07:05 PM
Like Sunil and others, I have been working very hard on this issue for nearly a week. Neglecting my other duties. Even my girl friend is mad at me :)

In a few hours I will announce StopScum.com but here is a preview. Please CAREFULLY read my postition on this issue and the friend of page. It should resolve for you:


I love the code idea. Outstanding. I need to take a break so byby for a few :)

08-19-2001, 07:05 PM
Yes and No would be the answer

We need to differentiate between the source code used to build programs, and the finished applications.

Finished applications - Yes to the extent that there is no review mechanism of what completed applications do. I don't see that it would be possible to ensure the a particular program had integrated it properly or not modified the code to do something else. But then again, if they wanted to do something else they could just as, or probably more easily write their own code to do whatever it is they want their particular program to do.

Source code - No to the extent that any derivative versions would have to be released in source form. If we could persuade a major free software organizations (of which there are more than one) to officially adopt the resultant code [i.e. a 3rd step] anybody producing derivative source code, would have to release the source [and hence be open to public scrutiny] or end up in court pretty quickly.

Also to clarify, I am not talking about a major sophisticated program, just a fragment of code. I wouldn't imagine, if we knew the steps [which is probably the hardest part], the total code would be more than a few hundred lines at least initially. By comparison, even simple Windows programs usually run into tens of thousands or more lines of code.

Basically the software author would just cut'n'paste the code into his program, add one line like -- detectpredator(); -- and that would be it. Hey presto, app protected.

08-19-2001, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Dave-AHFB
I have only looked at 1 thread of screenshots so far, but if it is representative of what the other threads, there really is no longer a war. A simple email campaign to your legislators including those government screen shots along with some good disney shots with description of what words link to what domains would put a quick and sudden death to this.

I would like to note that all screenshots should have the time and date.


Can someone with Toptext installed browse through MICROSOFT sites???
If it is used there, that should put an end to this very quick.

08-20-2001, 01:01 AM
Hi Steve


Glad to see GV contribution to the fight against Contextual Advertising, emerge on website


Have just added a text link to my front page redirecting to StopScum.com

Keep up the great work.

All the best


08-20-2001, 04:21 AM
just had another thought, would it be possible to have the ezula toptext killer script embedded in ad code? if we got doubleclick.com and valueclick.com like companies on our side they could include the anti-code (like that name :) ) in their ad codes for webmasters which would be easier and allow a wider reach to combat this?

just thinking out aloud :D

08-20-2001, 09:49 AM
Sure George, Nice thought.

This plays to our Community strentgh since they all visit GV. We must deliver zillons of impressions so the first step is to insure they know about it.

1) New Wild Computer guidelines on screen captures + contact procedures at:

2) I'm not sure but I think Gator may do the banner swap thing with these networks as well. If we can pin this down, document it with screen captures and text plus notify them, I'm confident we can continue to make great progress.

3) We can't assume they already know. One thousand emails on the issue is far better than 3. Plus FAX and phone

Keep the faith!

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