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m3rcury
07-21-2000, 07:56 AM
What do you do if you get ripped off?

Say for instance that you made a flash cartoon for someone. They were going to pay you $100 US for it, and you sent them the file, and never heard from them again. You try to contact them, but they never reply. What can you do?

OR what if you are making a newsletter swap, only they don't give you the plug they promised?

Can they get away with stuff like that? Or is there some method you can use to get REVENGE?

I suppose you could show up to their house and demand your money, http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

Any of you guys ever taken revenge????

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SHANE
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[This message has been edited by m3rcury (edited 07-21-2000).]

sterlingbeck
07-21-2000, 02:00 PM
Don't get caught ;-)

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Knix
07-21-2000, 02:22 PM
i think he's talking LEGAL revenge guys,,, like he wants money or plugs or whatever it is he's whining about (NO OFFENSE)... i don't think that physical violence would be worth it,,, if it came to money or beating somebody up, I'D take the money any day (cuz if i really wanted to fight, ANYBODY would work just fine).

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m3rcury
07-21-2000, 02:58 PM
Exactly. I mean can you do things to make them lose respectability? Or just not be as stupid the next time... In legal bounds what can you do to get your "money's worth?"

This is just a scenario. I'm not saying i'm actually going to go collecting http://geekvillage.com/ubb/tongue.gif But I have actually been ripped off when it comes to plugs and stuff, so I figure i should be careful.

Anyone have any stories to share? http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif




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SHANE

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Steve_S
07-21-2000, 03:58 PM
Stories....sure I have thousands I could share with you from students and clients but IMHO please try and protect yourself in the beginning to minamize these "dead beat" issues. With respect to freelance design work:

One way:

1/3 up front
1/3 about half way through
1/3 on completition

Another way:

All up front or 50% and this number should sorta assume you never get the balance but still make a profit

I'm certainly not offended if you and I do business this way and neither should you be if you sit on the other side of the table.

Just my thoughts on the freelance aspect of this.

HTH

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Ted S
07-21-2000, 11:46 PM
Revenge in the sense of normal style revenge (getting eveen normally through threats, confrentation, ect...) is not normally a good idea. First off, you rarely know who you're dealing with and second off you can easily get carried away and break a law or ten laws for that matter.

For example, let's say someone fails to pay you for work so you threaten them with a law suit but they do nothing. So you decide to post how horrible they are all around their site. Well, you still never got paid but now they're loosing respectibility, right?!? That is until they remove your posts and file a suit for harasment and for threatening and for distruction of property and twenty other things and to make matters even worse it turns out they are a lawyer and altough they never paid you for your work they never used it either and therefore considered it still in progress.

OR

You've decided to go to their house and 'demand money'. So you get up to their door (provided they live close enough to you to make it worth your time which is really rare) and demand the money. You've just driven for an hour so you really want that money and they say, who are you, get off my porch. FOr some reason you snap and yell at them or maybe even hit them, whoops you forgot to do a background check and they're ex-military, ouch ***** to be you. Or they call the police on you for one of a thousand offense, either way you loose.

Ok, now that I've written the next 'choose your own adventure' book (that's a book they use to make for kids for any of you taht are wondering) I think I'm done.

In short the best act of revenge is to be really nice. Write out an email asking for you rmoney and stating that you completed your end of the work with a link to the project, quotes from yoru previous emails and anything else you may have that prooves that they owe you money. Give them a day or two or even three to respond and if they say no or don't reply contact a lawyer or figure out something of that nature. Just remember, if you do anything stupid you could be the one paying for it and many times more than you would have earned http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

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richjb
08-10-2000, 11:06 PM
I'm recently been ripped of by a client. But, it was for a little project with a little price, so I'm not going to do much about it. However, in the future I will be developing into the code an auto-terminate function, where if they aren't supplied a code by me by X date, the code doesn't work. I know this sounds weird, but my idea is that if they need to pay me for a program, then thay won't be able to take the self_terminate thing out, when it's hidden.

Of course, this only works on scripts that you develop. In my case, they're PERL.

Richard

Drastic
08-14-2000, 07:59 AM
I think Steve's comments fit the bill best, when possible. Get at least part up front when money is involved.

When dealing with someone on a trade or something where you just have to have faith in that person, use your best judgement. Pay attention to their comments and language in general. A lot of times you can pick up on a person's integrity in normal conversation. But, you can be fooled by this as well. Trust your instinct, learn to listen to your gut feelings, they (in my experience) are rarely wrong.

But, when you do get shafted, keep your own integrity intact. If you try to defame the person or their site, you are stooping to their level. The anger and stress in trying to seek revenge is not worth the $100 you lost. Just drop it, try to forget about it, but NEVER forget how that person treated you. Chalk it up to a $100 lesson and learn from it. Think about what told you this might happen, and listen to that next time.

I am a firm believer in what comes around, goes around. This person will get what they deserve in some shape, form, or fashion somewhere down the road.



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OC
08-25-2000, 02:12 PM
If it's a business (even one-man ops), I write them one or two letters VIA snail mail. I make sure the second one is registered/receipt-at-arrival'd. If no dice, file a complaint at the BBB.org. Also, some states have a consumer services department that does the same thing. That usually legally scares them a bit, seeing as they receive a letter from the Better Business Bureau and their State Attorney's office. http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

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