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Knix
07-19-2000, 03:34 PM
alright, this is out to all you "little ones" out there AKA teenagers,,, any of you offended by the talk in this string http://geekvillage.com/ubb/mad.gif http://geekvillage.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/003184.html
I mean, they assume that just because a teenager sees the words ADULT SITE they will jump right in, i'm 16 and seeing that post didn't make me want to go check out porn or anything, A simple post like that isn't going to turn a kid into a porn hound, trust me i'm a "LITTLE ONE" myself and i think that we deserve a little more respect than that,,, i mean even "LITTLE ONES" no what they can/should and can't/shouldn't do... I just ask for some respect here... any of you other "LITTLE ONES" with me?

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jimbo
07-19-2000, 04:30 PM
I'm not about to reveal my age, but I'm not a "little one". I just wanted to voice my opinion on this, and I apologize for going off topic in your thread, but I didn't have the nards to start my own http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif.

I think that porn on the internet is something that people need to get used to. I don't run a porn site, I don't visit porn sites, and I don't encourage other people to do so either. I just think that porn is a very legitimate thing on the web. "Adult" webmasters shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else. Most of the adult entertainment site operators I have chatted with feel very strongly about the issues - such as child porn, illagal distribution of copyrighted images, etc., etc. Most comply 100% with RASC, and none provide access to their sites to minors.

The truth is, 90% of the technology that we, as "web geeks", benefit from was developed and perfected by Adult Site Operators. User Authentication, Secure Purchase Points, cgi gallery indexing scripts, server speed and optimization, etc. The adult site industry is the only online sector that can say "we made banner advertising work". And who perfected the interstitial windows? Adult site operators. They revolutionized the way business is done on the web - one of the first sectors to turn a profit. Why? Becaues people want it. The adult webmasters are not the ones at fault here, it is the people who go looking for this stuff. The adult webmasters are just providing a service.

The adult websites are similar to when Beta & VHS were initially competing to be the "standard" in the home recording industry (whoops, I guess I revealed my age afterall http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif). Beta refused to let pornography/Adult Films be published on their technology. Where is Beta today? Ask the "little one" http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif who started this thread what Beta is - and I'm sure they'll say a software pre-release, having nothing to do with home movies.

People may not agree with the content they serve, but as long as they are not soliciting any of their properties, what's the beef? They are legitimate webmasters with legitimate problems - just like you and I.

I thank you all for hearing me out, and again I apologize for going OT in your post.

-jim

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Bryan
07-19-2000, 04:57 PM
Hey, who needs morals? We got webmasters....

Hmm, isn't Dr. Kavorkian providing a service?
After all, people want to die. He just provides the service.

Same thing with hired assasins. They just provide the service. They're humans just like you and I.

Of course I'm gonna get a thousand replies on how evil I am for saying people should have morals. Then we're gonna have the people who say there is nothing wrong with porn and protestution.

Now I gotta hide that I visit this forum from all my friends/relatives (It's becoming a forum for pornographers) because they'll think I'm one of those pornography people/perverts.

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Knix
07-19-2000, 04:58 PM
hehe, actually you are right, when i first read BETA I was thinking pre released software and such, but i'm ASSUMING it is some kind of movie player http://geekvillage.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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jimbo
07-19-2000, 06:56 PM
The next best thing to deletion... http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif

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jimbo
07-19-2000, 06:57 PM
Yeah, movie player, that's it http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif.

Man, now I really feel old...


Bryan - lighten up, my friend. We all have the same trade. I bet 99% of Adult Site operators make 5 times as much as you and I do. Granted, you could be Steve Chase, but I don't think you'd be posting here.

Every trade has its "unspoken" people. For lawyers it's the "ambulance chasers". Among auto mechanics it's the s**** yarders, and the Jiffy Lubes.

Sure, we may not agree with what they do, but as long as they are not soliciting their products and/or sites on the board, what difference does it make? I run a baseball oriented site - I bet 75% of the people on the board hate baseball and all it represents. Does that make me any less entitled to the creativity and helpfulness that makes this community what it is? Does that make me any less willing to help someone who chances are has never been to a baseball game in their life, and who would turn off a baseball game on television as quickly as I would turn off "Game Spot TV" on ZDTV? No. The bottom line is that we are all here to help each other. As long as someone contributes and doesn't make their posts billboards for their "Porn-o-rama" site, what difference does it make??

The best thing about the internet is that there is (relatively) no prejudice or un-equal treatment. Black, white, brown, yellow, whatever - it doesn't matter when we as human beings are represented as ASCII characters on the screen. Look at the originator of this post, for instance, I would have had no idea how old - or young - they were unless I had read this thread. The internet has thrived because the boundaries between people, races, countries, ethnicities, religions, persuasions, likes, dislikes, are practically erased. Once you start limiting webmasters - of any kind - from posting in a webmaster oriented site, you begin to build up those boundaries, and go against the grain that made the internet and its communities what they are today.

Sure, people should have morals, but the Adult Webmasters are only catering to a demand. If there wasn't a demand for adult content, would these adult webmasters exist? No. Where I'm from, everybody has an equal shot at "The American Dream", and I can't see the "morality" in not permitting someone who is going about their business, looking for a piece of the pie.

The difference between Dr. Kavorkian, Hired Assassins, and Porn Webmasters, is that the webmasters aren't breaking any laws. If they are, they should be shut down. If they're not, then they are just as entitled to the resources of the World Wide Web as is "St. Somebody's Church" from Sioux Falls, Iowa.

I agree that everybody should have morals, and I'm not condoning the patronage of adult websites - I'm just saying that people should also be given their fair share.

-jim

*gets off soapbox, tries not to trip*

&lt;edit&gt;Steve_S: You edit the word c r a p?&lt;/edit&gt;

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kris
07-19-2000, 07:39 PM
Well Im 19 and i wasnt offended. However, I think porn is sick. You got all these losers sitting in front of a computer doin you know what. Sure i visited porn sites before (Who here can honestly say they never did?) but i havent done it in a long time. I think porn sites owners are trying to take advantage of the people who cant get girlfriends... Thats wrong.

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KHN
07-19-2000, 08:09 PM
kris,

How do you know people that have girlfriend or married don't look at porn?? Have you ever look in your father closet or wherever he hide is playboy and pornal movies. Adults watch pornal movies to copy the moves. Pornal is just a bussines like sports, a form of entertainment. They don't do it because of passion, just for the dead presidents.

A friend of mine have a pornal site and it's putting him through college. These pornmaster don't care about morals, just give me the green.



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m3rcury
07-19-2000, 08:20 PM
I think minors shouldn't be sheltered from the fact that there is adult content out there. It's not like its hard to find.

What I don't understand tho is how someone can possibly feel good about themselves for making money off of the scum of humanity by giving them ***** pictures of slutty women! Filth is what it is. Sure, it's not illegal, but is it right?

In today's world, its all like: "who cares about morals", "you can do whatever you want", "go get knocked up, no one cares. You can do what you please", "Get off on disgusting pictures and movies on the internet, it's there so you can get it." Don't people actually think these days? I'm sorry, maybe some of you have been to porn sites before, don't hate me because i have values.

Oh well, now I'll just lower my head and take my beating. Someone's gotta speak out someday. (and do they really THINK that by calling them "adult" sites they really keep teenagers away? IMO teens are some of their biggest traffic)




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Knix
07-20-2000, 12:01 AM
exactly, how many people here had actually never heard of (maybe even looked at) porn before there was that string on making money from that site... And m3rcury is right, i'm sure their consumers are mostly teenagers tho, i mean they have my 3 brothers, 2 that are younger than me... I just wish that people would realize that just hearing the word (i don't know if i should say it even) "PORN" isn't going to make us automatically turn into bad people and start harvesting pictures from those pages, its rediculous that they would get that idea just from seeing the words "adult site"...

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Aaron Dragushan
07-20-2000, 12:10 AM
[This post is my personal views, without my moderator hat on. This is my view about porn, and not about whether or not porn-related webmasters should participate/post links, etc.]

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I read a book (can't remember the name offhand) that changed my views about porn. I used to think that it was just simple eye candy, that people objected to for no other reason than it was "wrong". The church said it's wrong, parents usually do, etc etc. I've never liked to be told that something's wrong without being told why, and up until reading this book, I had never heard a reason that made any sense to me, at all.

The book had some very persuasive arguments about why porn hurts people. (The book wasn't even about porn, but how to kick butt in bed, LOL) This isn't really the place for a social psychology discussion, but since we're meandering off-topic, hey, why not. http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

Porn hurts people in ways they don't feel or realize, sorta like watching the WWF will influence your mind, and on average, statistically make you a more violent person. You're being affected, but you don't know it.

Porn promotes the accepted image (which as we all know is promoted everywhere in society) that women should look a certain way. Pretty normal concept, I think most would agree with that, so far. What's interesting, is that when you think about it, having this ravishing, 23-year-old thin girl as your mental ideal gets in the way of being happy in the real world. Why? Because it gets harder to live in the world with real women, and not feel like you're missing out.

Most girls/women don't look like they do in the ads, or in a porn video. They don't wander around, all ***-crazed, permanently turned on, etc. Maybe 1 in 100 have that "model look," right? So when this stereotype is reinforced, when it becomes our concept of beauty/behaviour, it's harder to look at your girlfriend/wife and not feel there is something wrong with her. She doesn't look or act like the ideal, so we're "making do with what we've got."

There's also the flip side, which is that it reinforces the bodybuilder/stud look as a concept for guys, which isn't how most of us are built, so it's quietly harder for you to be happy with your body. The guys in the movies are also usually ... endowed. http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif They also shoot from certain angles to heighten the effect, if you'll pardon the pun. So now you've been given a ideal of willie-length that is WAY off...

I know that many people reading this will just think I'm nuts to say that people are affected by watching porn/wrestling/etc but there are countless studies proving that we are much more influencable than we know. Heck, what do you think branding is? Branding is the concept that a company can win you over just by doing the equivalent of whispering in your ear, "Ford is Good, Ford is Good, Ford is Good."

It works it's magic even though we all know it's there, and what they're trying to do.

$.02

jimbo
07-20-2000, 12:35 AM
I hear what you're saying, and agree 100%, Aaron.

But have you ever seen a porn video? 99% of the women in them are nasty. I used to work at a sandwich shop next a strip bar - (the best job a pubescent High School boy could have http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif). The "girls" used to come in to "eat" between shifts, and they were disgusting.

Using your argument, which is totally valid, you could also make a point that TV is bad - should we disallow people with sites about TV shows to post webmaster issues? And also that any type of modelling, artistic, retail, whatever is bad - should we disallow a photographer (of people for catalogs, portraits, etc - clothed-) from posting money making tips?

I think there is a fine line between what is right and wrong for sure. But as long as those people aren't forcing their filth on us, why does it matter what their site is about?

American Society in particular is very caught up in "looks". When the Victoria's Secret Web-cast was happening, I couldn't do anything on the web - that's how popular it was. Even News anchors are "idealistic" in the way they look. 99% of the people in the public eye are made to be better looking than 99% of the population. So I don't think that it is just porn that is contributing to the self-esteem issues of people around the globe. Blame the Backstreet Boys, Brittany Spears, etc. They are the real damage.

I've had my say - I won't bore you all any longer. It's just been so long since I've been in a discussion like this. Talking about 90 MPH fastballs is interesting, but not mentally stimulating http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif. Thanks for the debate, everyone! http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

-jim

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Knix
07-20-2000, 12:47 AM
the thing about victoria secrets makes me think, if the original string on the adult site was a high class site like victoria secrets or whatever would people have cared as much? or is it just because this guy is running a SLEEZY WEBPAGE, cuz to me there isn't really a HUGE difference between the two, except for image and status... although i get the feeling i'm the only teenager arguing HERE http://geekvillage.com/ubb/eek.gif is that bad?

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Aaron Dragushan
07-20-2000, 12:48 AM
Jimbo - I guess I wasn't clear enough - those are just my thoughts on porn, and not on whether or not porn-related webmasters should be allowed to join/post on the site. Steve knows what I think, and it's probably not what you think I think. http://geekvillage.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

And you're right, it has been a long time since we've had a really intellectual discussion/debate around here. Questy would have loved it.

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jimbo
07-20-2000, 01:10 AM
Whoops - I thought I had read that disclaimer http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif You were clear enough, it was my eyes that weren't. But you gotta cut me some slack, it is 5:09 AM here, and I'm at the wrong end of an all nighter that goes back to Monday. I thought I had done fairly well, considering...

I apologize for my A.D.D. relapse http://geekvillage.com/ubb/wink.gif

-jim

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kris
07-20-2000, 04:55 AM
KHN,

Im in college too but you dont see me opening a porn site to pay my way through it. I guess either you have morals or you don't. Im assuming that people who has girlfriends RARELY visit porn sites. I have a girlfriend and you don't see me going there everyday. People who go there everyday are USUALLY people without girlfriends or not getting any. YOu know what i mean?

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m3rcury
07-20-2000, 05:51 AM
Aaron: what you said was profound. Anyone here ever hear of Ted Bundy? Famous womanizer/serial killer. Anyways a few days before he got the chair (or however they killed him) he gave an interview, and in that interview he said that the thing that started him on that path to slaughtering women, was hardcore pornography.

Now, I'm not saying that if you wanna taint your retinas by looking at filthy photos on the web you're going to turn into a serial killer. What I'm saying is there's something there that may eventually have a huge effect on the mind.

Personally, I'm happy with my life. Picture yourself successful and happy. Why would you go and destroy all that by, say, starting a cocaine addiction. That would be stupid (DUH). Now why would you go ruin your entire moral character and possibly turn your life into a dull, hellish place where you sleep and eat until you can log back on the internet to enjoy your fantasy life and indulge your mind into it until there's nothing left??? Sound crazy or not?

Just imagine what the internet would be like without pornography. No "adult" sites. Just what the internet was invented for. That's why they call it the INFORMATION superhighway. Now I'm gonna get all this ... i can't say c.r.a.p. .... about "well, if they took down porn sites, they'd have to take down all OTHER entertainment sites." What about tv? When television first started, you didn't even hear swearing. Even nowadays they won't allow certain words or too much revealing attire. But it's getting worse. It's like the whole world's slowly being desensitized. But with the internet, all the refuse was out there right when it began. Of course it's easier to get away with it on the internet, because what's the worst that could happen? They shut your site down, big deal. But now people realize that with their right to "free speech" they can get away with it NO PROBLEM.

Ok, i'm done. Continue the beatings.




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Knix
07-20-2000, 09:19 AM
I think that assuming ANYTHING will turn you into a cereal killer is rediculous, people aren't all the same, what affects ted bundy one way won't necessarily affect EVERYBODY the same way. Although i just remember a profound line that my little brother said (and this supports what aaron said about porn stars being PERFECT and people just putting up with what they've got) well anyways, one of my little brothers found my other little brothers porn stash (supposed its LOW QUALITY stuff, i myself didn't look at it so i can't say) but he was looking through it and all of a sudden shouted "MAN, I can't even errect to this" ... so i think aaron is right, porn DOES affect what you think of other women, too much and you only want those PERFECT, BEAUTIFUL girls that are in porn.....

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MagicMan
07-20-2000, 10:05 AM
Aaron hit the nail on the head with his post. While "porn" is not the evil some people perceive it to be, it is a psychological stimulate for the subconcious. It has an effect you don't realize it can have. As such, it is how you deal with it as an individual, regardless of your age, that matters in the end. Ted Bundy was a sick man. Blaming it all on "hard core porn" was a cop out, and a feeble one at that.
Here are some facts and figures, taken from the New England Journal of Medicine, February issue, 2000:
The "Barbie Look" vs. Everyone else
Barbie: Size 8, 110lbs, 5'8"
Average Woman: Size 14, 140lbs, 5'5"

One in 400 women achieve the Barbie Look
Over 50% of all women wear a size 14, and over 30% of ALL women wear size 18/20 or larger. At any one time, over 50% of every person from age 8 to 99 is on some sort of diet. Sad. Certainly porn is not responsible for this. A contributer, but not the culprit. Diet and weight loss companies are the real culprits. Last year this was the 2nd highest grossing industry, taking in more than 75 BILLION dollars.
Trying to blame or make innuendo that because a webmaster to this forum is bad or wrong just because he has a porn site is totally unfair and unjust.
Lighten up, have a little fun, and remember what that person on the other side of the mirror looks like. Is that someone who looks like you, or is it you????

Les

m3rcury
07-20-2000, 01:54 PM
LOL! It started from sheltering teens from the existance of adult content, and it's turned into barbie!

I think everyone has their own right to have their OWN opinion and morals, which is why porn is legal and some people feel it's right to make a living off it. Which is why i haven't really spoken much about it until recently.

I know a chick who is 5'8" can't weight more than 110 or 115, and i have no idea how sizes go for women, but DANG! Oh yeah, and she wants me. Yeah, PHEER ME! wahaha. btw, i think the real thing is much better so hats off to kris when he said "...people who has girlfriends RARELY visit porn sites"

i think that adds up to $.06 total for me



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Bryan
07-20-2000, 05:36 PM
What a bunch of lame excuses to justify pornography.

These "adult" webmasters seem anything but adults.

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Knix
07-20-2000, 05:49 PM
first off, society already accepts(or at least puts up with) porn, thats all the justification that is needed for it to stay around, its only going to dissapear when the majority of people say "get rid of it," and can justify THAT. And it will take something more than comparing pornographers to murderers, because right now pornographers are generally accepted and i (as far as i know http://geekvillage.com/ubb/tongue.gif) murderers AREN'T accepted... So nobody really has to justify anything (unless they aim to get rid of porn)... I'm not a porn hound and i'm not trying to justify it, i'm just stating what (to me at least) seems obvious...

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Bryan
07-20-2000, 06:07 PM
I guess owning slaves was OK when the majority accepted it. Also killing Jews was OK when all the nazi's (and majority of germany) accepted it.

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Knix
07-20-2000, 07:52 PM
Your blowing this out of proportion, your comparing these webmasters to slave owners and killers and nazis, when its not even close to being that bad, i haven't heard of any adult webmasters slaughtering or enslaving millions... and further more, maybe those other practices were tolerated in their areas, but not by the rest of the world, i haven't heard of any large scale attempts by foreign countries to remove porn from the web... yet the british did a lot to stop the americans from getting more slaves and trying to bring an end to slavery... and a lot of countries fought against germany, and when the war was over the people responsible for those horrendous crimes against the jews were punished...

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Bryan
07-20-2000, 08:21 PM
Your making things up. I said if something is accepted by society, it doesn't mean it's right.

You say I'm accusing webmasters of slaughtering millions.

Nearly everyone had slaves back in the 1800's. Everything thought there was nothing wrong with it and would fight to the end to say it was perfectly ok and accepted.

So, if I lived in the 1800's when everyone said owning slaves were ok, would it be right?

Want me to remind you what porn is? Glorfied Rape Fantasies, "Gang Bangs", Hardcore, etc.

I can't believe people sell stories and pictures of women being Raped, Molested, and becoming submissive slaves, as entertainment.

Is snuff ok too? After all, it's just "pictures" right? Society accepts it right. And it's a legitamate way to earn a living. I guess drug dealing is also ok. Although not accepted by all, there's no harm in helping people get what they want. It's just a service right?




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jimbo
07-20-2000, 08:50 PM
As long as it's legal, why does it matter?

It is absolutely wrong for you to even COMPARE Pornmeisters to Nazis. That is just plain sick.

Is pornography wrong? Yes - in many ways. Is it legal? Yes - perfectly. The things you are comparing porn too however, are wrong and illegal. There is a big difference there.

But a conversation with someone who can compare porn webmasters to Dr. Kavirkian, Hired Assassins, Nazis, and Drug Dealers and feel they they are totally right, is a waste of my keystrokes.

The hardest thing to open is a (drastically) closed mind...

-jim

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Knix
07-20-2000, 11:06 PM
Yes, jimbo knows what i mean,,, and if nazis killing jews was SO accepted, why did it only last for a few years in ONE country a country that was manipulating its people (who possibly didn't even know about the jew thing)? sounds to me like THAT wasn't REALLY accepted by society otherwise it would have lived longer,,, also those nazis responsible for that were taken care of (there is a very good movie about that on TNT) people were shocked and disgusted all around the world, doesn't sound accepted to me... I'm not defending porn, i'm just defending my arguement about justification, and radical (far flung) justification such as those comparisons are unreal and wrong...

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m3rcury
07-21-2000, 05:39 PM
Oops, didn't see second page...

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Questy
07-23-2000, 08:20 PM
For some of the newbies in the crowd, let me introduce myself. I was a forum moderator here at geek talk for about a year. I have also been an active volunteer for many online activities over the years.

I was a community leader at Tripod for the Spirituality Pod. I was very open minded when it came to folks spirituality, I allowed the posting of web pages for faiths I did not believe in, or agree with. I did so as I felt it was right, in the context of the forum. However, if someone posted a forum message or web page to our community trying to sell the latest get rich quick scheme, I deleted. I wasn't making a statement that I was against selling anything, or I was anti-capitalist. I was making a statement that it was not an appropriate post for the community.

What is "legal" in a general sense doesn't make it right for "this" community. If the community at large, or the leaders of the community set rules, you have a choice, live by the rules, or leave.

In the state I live gambling and liquor stores are legal. Some areas they are not. If we built a community where we did not allow liquor or gambling, that wouldn't bother me a bit. But I would realize, that when I lived in my new community, even though it was legal to buy liquor, or bet on horses or play slots in my old community, I shouldn't expect to do that in the new community, where it was against the rules.

Just here in the US laws differ greatly from state to state, and even times within a state. On top of that we have many cultures of the world represented here. Many of the facets of pornography are not legal in many areas of the world. So when you say something is legal, you are speaking from a very personal perspective.

In this community, known as geek talk, if the main theme is to learn how to make money on the internet, and the community or its leaders decide that the topics of "adult" nature are not welcome here, that becomes the rule of this community. All moral arguments aside, just because it is a legal, or even accepted somewhere else, doesn't mean that it needs to be part of this community.

Questy
07-23-2000, 08:37 PM
Hey Aaron...

"Questy would have loved it."

Here I am!

Knix
07-23-2000, 08:52 PM
hey, that makes great sense questy, seems that steve already made a choice so we have a NEW RULE around here... basically like you said, it doesn't matter that it is acceptable in other places, it isn't here, and thats the only thing that counts..... I just think people shouldn't try to SHELTER others from stuff like this,,, tho the cause of this arguement was all about MONEY MAKING and whether or not people from THOSE pages should be allowed to post here or not (at least thats where i thought it was going) rather than it was legal/moral to look at the stuff ( http://geekvillage.com/ubb/eek.gif MY arguements could have been taken more than one way i guess) ... oh well, the way I see it, steve has made the call, and it sounds fair enough to me...

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hobbnet
07-24-2000, 01:38 AM
I don't know if this is appropriate but I am curious as to some of the posters' logic that tells them pornography is immoral. I mean, I personally think a good deal of pornography is immoral or borderline (violent porn, etc.) But to say "porn is immoral because it degrades women" (as many people have said) I think this statement itself degrades women greatly. It undermines a woman's choice in life saying they are unable to make their own decisions.

Another thing I would like to talk about is how pornography changes a person's view of their ideal mate. I agree, most guys would love to be "involved" with a playboy bunny but for most of us, this is just a fantasy. I believe most men realize that the women in these magazines are just fantasies and if a man thinks it is realistic to only set your sites for a play bunny, they are fooling themselves. I mean, I hope to win the lotto. It would be great to win the lotto. If I win, I'd be set for life and didn't have to do a thing to gain my riches. You would think this would promote laziness. But low and behold I have to wake up "early" tomorrow and go to WORK. Winning the lotto is my fantasy. http://geekvillage.com/ubb/smile.gif

I could argue things in this post for hours but I have no idea where to start or where I am going so I have decided to stop here... I know, I'm lazy but deal with it! (damn lottery) =p

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